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prembio ®

10/10/2023, 16:35:59
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Yesterday I hooked up an old hard drive I found in a dusty box and saw it came from the PC I had when I split up with my wife. Funny thing memory. It turns out we were together for 3 years longer than I remembered.

In the back-up directory I found a cache of Gold Coast Elan Vital documents (1998-2005), mostly incredibly banal and boring: records of meetings, plans for the future, First Class communications, etc. My wife had used my PC in those days. I browsed a bit and did find 2 documents that really defined EV in the late 1990s - early 2000s.

The first is the Australian National Aspirant Teams plans for 1999 and the second a Gold Coast local Minutes for Meeting - 25th October 2000

Australian National Aspirant Teams plans for 1999

2.2 Propagation

What Aspirant numbers to increase significantly in 1999

How Beautiful video events for everyone; the provision of clear information regarding the learning process and requirements for receiving and practising Knowledge; with help from our teacher and everyone; close collaboration with all of those involved with propagation

With whom

Propagation team, information contacts, MCs, national team, local contacts, aspirant team, instructors

When

2-day meeting with all of the with whoms (above) early in the year, after the schedule for the year is made known


2.3 The learning process

The goal is to provide our teacher with well-prepared aspirants at the next Knowledge Session. (Quantity AND quality)


Minutes for Meeting - 25th October 2000

Satellite broadcast update: The next stage is being established with some people becoming “early adopters” as the first direct viewing is trialled. At this stage there are several options becoming available - e.g. the private purchase of a dish for home viewing and the possibility of a communal purchase of a dish: fixed or mobile. This is a stage of transition and further answers will be provided regarding the queries that are emerging.


Feedback from all centres in Australia: Mark W* recently surveyed all local contacts regarding the primary focus points in each centre. Included in the summary: concern regarding the amount of time spent on electronic mail and administration e.g. many reports are requested; is there always an actual need for these; too many examples of inefficiency and poor etiquette in the use of electronic mail; propagation is currently at a standstill.


The full survey results are available if requested. Pertinent point made in this meeting: if the only communication that occurs is as support to propagation, then it can be clearly identified if a particular item needs to be communicated or not. Proposed for next meeting: a short workshop to improve efficiency and ensure correct etiquette is observed in electronic communication. 


Any people involved in that period should be able to relive the horror







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eDrek ®

10/10/2023, 19:18:03
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I was a brainwashed idiot until 1997 and we, our little community, had some of that fancy business stuff going on. Renting a hall, service assignments and local donations to fund it all. PWK and Non-PWK. It was both fun and stupid. We thought we were finally going to get traction and the masses would start flooding in and recognizing just how neat and cool Guru Maharaji was.

But, no! These damn forums ruined me and I had to excuse myself from the madness and folly.






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10/10/2023, 20:52:58
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Don't you wonder how we fell for that same old shtick every year, that this was the year for the aspirant push? If he really was God, why did he have such a hard time getting aspirants? And why did we have to work so hard for it when he was all powerful and could have done it without our help? And why is it that all these decades later, he still has to struggle to get followers? 

Yes, we were young and naive and foolish and stupid and just plain gullible.






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so much all the same
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Susan ®

10/10/2023, 21:49:26
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Seems like a new idea that will finally be the magic propagation every year or two. The old idea is someone else's fault, the new one is Prem Rawat's until it doesn't pan out... the old person is humiated before his peers by Captain Rawat ... rinse and repeat.

Thank you for saving the history.   






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The desert era
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lakeshore ®

10/11/2023, 09:32:04
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In hindsight, the year 2000 was the beginning of what I call the desert era. It lasted throughout the 2000s and beyond. In our community, propagation dwindled to one or two aspirants a month with less frequent Knowledge Sessions, even while the local management team was gearing-up for an explosion. The problem was that 1) "helping out," along with "keeping in touch" and "practicing," was still an all-important part of the renamed three-legged stool; and 2) except for giving money, there simply wasn't enough to do to give everyone a meaningful way of helping out. Consequently, a lot of it was fabricated, micoro managed, micro detailed and inordinately puffed-up into a big deal.

We had a leased hall and a management team comprised of an event manager, aspirant coordinator, finance manager, communications coordinator, facility/AV manager, Mail Order Library manager and a resident part-time instructor/major donor. For what? Three or four video events a week attended more or less by the same dozen or so people, half of whom were on the management team, in a broader community of about thirty active premies.

To add to the mix:

• Each manager/coordinator had several members on his or her team as sub-managers, assistants or fully-trained backups, e.g., the event manager had an "MC team" that actually met separately.
We held two manager meetings a month at which each manager provided an update.
• Most managers/coordinators reported to a national coordinator for that area.
• Most communities were structured in much the same way.
• There were reams of forms, email and FirstClass messages to keep-up with.
• Elan Vital had a vast repository of forms, scripts, guidelines and in some cases, strict protocols for everything, e.g., a venue had to be certified by a national inspector as meeting strict criteria before it could be used for a Knowledge Session.

(I wish I still had a copy of the Knowledge Session checklist. It took four or five people an entire day to hold a Knowledge Session for one person... and that doesn't count the rehearsal and all the in-between meetings!) 

But that's not the worst of it. All of this took place in a suffocating environment in which premies were constricted. They couldn't be themselves and speak freely. They had to toe the line and march in lockstep. They had to put on a "clear" and "conscious" demeanor even if it was contrived (because who knows what they were really going through in their lives), and they knew they'd be judged and promoted on that basis. It was that artificial/syrupy layer that was so sickening.

All of that for what? What were the results? Relatively speaking, absolutely no propagation. It got so bad that Prem resorted to the Keys, Mahatma Macs and finally those horrendous Team Trainings, apparently because no one was qualified or competent enough to do the job to his liking.

In short, the cult died of thirst because all the water dried up and the so-called water of Knowledge couldn't save it. Thus the desert era. The same analogy works with oxygen. For all the collective focus on breathing, the cult suffocated because there wasn't enough air to survive.

As for the recent posts about meditation, what has it produced? "No! It's individual peace that it produced!," shouted the forum lurker. Really? Nothing was more antithetical to individual peace than the stress trying to "help out" responsibly in the dysfunctional miasma that meditation produced. I literally had to meditate to escape the stress of being a premie.







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Marianne ®

10/11/2023, 10:16:11
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This line sums it all up: propagation is currently at a standstill. 






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10/11/2023, 16:10:34
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prembio ®

10/12/2023, 01:37:56
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I am judging from a limited premie base but from the Gold Coast EV community in the later 90s and early 2Ks there were 3 groups

The ones who did service which in this case was promoting Rawat through public showing of videos of his speeches, the so-called "events" - about 15%

Those who (semi)regularly attended these events and made financial contributions to their upkeep - about 25%

The rest who only came to see Rawat or maybe to see  Charanand or something more fun - 60%

Having spent hours reading what the 15% were doing I can only congratulate the 60% for keeping well away from all that boring, nearly pointless, work. Maybe they were saving their money for direct donations to Rawat.

OTOH they were clearly ignoring what Rawat demanded of them.

It seems that when He cleared out 50% of the premies back before 1984 He didn't clear out all the grasshoppers keeping only the ants but got rid of equal numbers of both types






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