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Was just thinking...probably something you all know already and pardon me for that...it seems pretty obvious that Rawat is a good example of mis-used yogic power.Not that he practices yoga asanas...hahaha I cant even fathom!
But he did practice meditation probably from a very young age. His father was probably rather fluent in some pratices, inherited from his guru and so on. Rawat did inherit trickles of that. Some kind of siddhis. But nothing more. No wisdom, no integrity. Rather a plain awful disposition as far I understand.
He used these on us. I remember very clearly an instance like that. At the very beginning. I dont mean to say he is all powerful and to be scared of. Not at all. He had just some kind of dowry with him. Which by now is probably very damaged. All the drinking, bad use of whatever he was endowed with, abuse of others and all.
Just looking at recent pictures, which I do not like to do as he looks so disgusting. Yet someone posted on my facebook wall few months ago...which prompted me to join here...just looking at photos, I can tell he is in a terrible place. Emotionally spiritually. Awful.
So it makes me feel better to understand this. and realize that it is not that I was completely stupid. And that we all were. Though, sorry to say, but often it has seemed to me that way. Wanting to believe in magic. In ultimate good. Maybe as a result of being already very burned out at a young age.
Whatever. In any case. Am so glad to be out. And know that in some ways, I am, we are lucky. As they are some still with not only him, but similar ones. And some were/ are way more potent than he ever was.
To those who think it is to honor Rawat too much to say he had siddhis, I would say ...no. It was a gift he received and mis used badly. Thats all. Like some receive personal fortune or good looks or whatever.
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I had to look that up.
Siddhis (Sanskrit and Pali : सिद्धि; Kannada: ಸಿದ್ಧಿ; Telugu: సిద్ధి; Tamil: சித்தி; Tibetan: དངོས་གྲུབ, THL: ngödrup,) are spiritual, paranormal, supernatural, or otherwise magical powers, abilities, and attainments that are the products of spiritual advancement through sādhanās such as meditation and yoga.
I don't believe there are any siddhis, no magical powers. To accept such things exist I think leaves us open to abuse by people who claim such powers. Rawat didn't misuse any powers - he pretended such powers existed and implied that he had them.
Maybe I'm getting too cynical though, as I don't believe in such a thing as spiritual advancement either. That baby went out with the bath water.
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exactly as 13 said, I agree with that. What Rawat had was the same as political leaders have, charisma from addressing the crowd. It is powerful enough.
To my mind there is something particularly unhinged about being a guru or any sort of religious leader - we have these beautiful dreams inside, why mess with that!
But that's what he has a talent for and that's the training Rawat got - he'd accompany his father when he addressed the crowds and got to speak from the stage as well.
There are a number of accounts that Rawat does not like to meditate himself. And he doesn't look like he does yoga does he. 
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Hi Inis, I have thought exactly what you said, and yes it helped me to wriggle him into a rational corner of my mind and take stock.Now I actually think it is a mixture of charisma like Lesley says, and also plain old hypnotism, which he milked for all it was worth.
I do believe in the existence of spiritual power, I believe we all have access to it, it's where intuition lives, I believe all this 3D reality is a manifestation of spirit and thought, I believe we are always evolving or in some cases devolving but there is no stopping the continuous momentum of the life force.
I have said here before he got his so called spiritual power from us, a form of energy vampire, without his entourage of admirers he actually is a pretty ordinary person with really inane insights that do not rock the world.
An ordinary schmuck along with distorted family dynamics in all directions to the extent that he needs an entourage to protect him from a family breakdown, to justify him and his crap self serving behaviours literally he doesnt matter I do believe he is dwindling in all manners and I dont feel he is even interested anymore - except for the fundraising side of it, it must be so poisonous to just be such a bold faced liar all the time, hidden motives and agendas always lurking -ready to be exposed. He's turned lying into an art form starting with lying to himself. Personally I do believe in spiritual evolution. Of course I do....There is no way I'm going to let a dork like him, no matter how long I hung around- get the better part of my best self to feel jaded and cynical for too long.
Of course we evolve, call it ageing if you like, reduce it to it's basic physical component, but there is WONDER in the world, there is AWE. It's f*king beautiful. He has NOT got a copyright on that. Any experiences I had before, during and since the cult are mine, not due to him. He had me believe it was his power, but it was my own, which he fed off, collectively off all of us and elevated himself, hypnotised us. But wonder and awe and amazing experiences existed before him and still do..... I was marking time spiritually the entire time in the cult, except for perhaps the 1st two years, after that I stayed same same, waiting for the lightening bolt to hit. But it had run its course, there was nothing more to learn about myself from it. The Ji just wanted some adoration and $$$ so he didnt explain that his so called knowledge has an expiration date, after a point there is no more evolution to be found in it. NOW, I'm growing.
Regarding his so called siddhis, I told myself this fairytale and I quite like it as a version of the evolving truth about him, I do think in the beginning he meditated , and I do think he meditated on all 9 techniques not just the 4 he showed us, he kept this to himself because he wanted oneupmanship, otherwise whats the point of the guru biz....this kept him a notch up on the scale in terms of Hypnotism Skills 1o1. It must have been for a short time because his massive ego had already taken hold and he fed on our spiritual powers, thought he had it made, bought into the spiritual falsity that there is a pinnacle to reach and one can stay there by virtue of public recognition and self grandiosment, without paying attention daily to the inner awareness, basically fell for the age old pride thing like every minor demon, sold himself down his own sewer like river and has had to drink his way into some form of escape ever since Thats a nice story and i'm sticking to it. I think the 9 techniques were too difficult for him. I think he's just lazy and entitled. Turns out we all evolved quite naturally, thanks to life itself, enough to see through that particular web he was spinning just by paying attention to the inner voice, our intuitions. Sometimes I was in the wringer, it was painful. Listening to myself and not him killed my marriage But at least I'm still evolving personally and yes even spiritually. Just because he took advantage of the idealist in me, doesnt mean I was fundamentally wrong to be spiritually seeking in the 1st place. Maybe in need of some balanced perspective in order to see him for who he is, but no, by making the more vulnerable side of me "wrong" I am basically telling myself he had all the power after all. I am not a victim in this, I made some choices with the tools I had at the time, he is a manipulator, living from the premise that he has to have power over in order to feel powerful. I have withdrawn my self from his influence and now living a life I prefer. I have stopped beating myself up for it. I have stopped giving him much thought at all. Really the only reason I'm writing now is to tell you INis that you can believe what you like and change your beliefs along this path on a daily basis for a while if that serves you, it's all part of getting away from his influence - it is part of evolving ones thinking, letting new thoughts in, keeping positive, noticing the hangover, consciously changing those thoughts for ones that feel BETTER. Not ones that disempower you, since that is the trip he had us stuck in. Embrace the reality of your all knowing ness and go for it, have fun with it, make up 5 different versions of the fairytale and pick one, change your mind about that.... or sometimes I chose to be closed off, protect from the threat of any thing that remotely reminds me of anything he said... until that didnt satisfy me any longer . There's no such thing as no such thing in my book..... My seeking was for a sense of freedom in the end. Freedom of thought, freedom of being, freedom to be authentically me, freedom to love unconditionally, freedom to span dimensions..... Find out what it was you were looking for in that search that led you to knowledge and go ahead and give it to yourself, with love and more love x
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Hi SQ,
I know I read about the other 5 decades ago, but I guess my age is showing that I can't remember them.
Thanks
Karen
B.T.W. ,
KARMA HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE, PREM, LORD OF THE FLIES!
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Hi, I also have no idea what the other 5 are, apparently reserved for those sanctioned to be master manipulators...It was obviously decided at some point that knowledge lite was the best way to keep every one looping back to 'the master' and not mastering their own destiny I have no interest in the extra 5 either.... It's not that much fun in my opinion, being at either end of that spectrum, applying all your will to various techniques to either be a perfect master or be a perfect student so much spiritual pride wrapped up in all of it that it's bound to be a cause for downfall, for me, for most, and most definitely for our very vain lord of entitlement It's all a cooked up scam to think one NEEDS a passed down set of raj yogic disciplines to tune into your own nature. It's your own nature fer goodness sake, it's right there. Just a bit of self honesty and humility is going to take one a long way. Sooooo much mumbo jumbo fed to us for years on end, same , same , same , same , YAWN..... just say it Prem, we don't need you, we never did and we especially never will in any future - eternal or otherwise... Karma is not expiring, I agree, no doubt he even agrees by now, though I'm sure he hasn't given up trying to squirm out of it It's a hard rain gonna fall.....
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There are 9 holes in a body. 2 eyes, 2 nostrils & so on...not forgetting the 2 down under. The life force, essence, spirit, call it what you will, leaks out from these holes causing old age decay & death. Block 'em up & all kinds of wondrous outcomes can be yours. Ta daa... 9 techniques to do it, one for each hole. This is the root belief, which no doubt took the denizens of Harappa by storm 5000 yrs ago, but these days......
I recall discussions about this donkey's years ago, but the details of how to do it all I don't remember. It appears that Prem's old dad, Shri Hans, took the 3 easiest of the 9 & added in breath meditation, which is an entirely different thing, to come up with his unique nollidge.
Rawat has no esoteric powers, neither now nor ever before. I don't believe there are any such things. His real power comes from having been brought up to be an uncontested authority, & from being surrounded still by people who go along with that.
Any average nobody would turn out to be a superconfident 'master' with such a background.
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if you count the belly button,but who's counting..lol
Regarding the other 5, I think they are the 5 names that RahdaSaomis/Santmats do. Something about hans rawat getting initiated by Sawan Singh. He combines Sarupanand & Sawan Singh....something like that. (Vague memories here)
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But I don't suppose women are thought of as being spiritually advanced enough to meditate. 
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Back to the anatomy class with you!
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but isn't it a hole?
and then there's the little holes hairs grow out of.
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I got the idea of the 10th hole from a poem I read years ago where Kabir says something like 'the body has 10 gates', whereas all the other spiritual-type poets said 9 gates. So I surmised where the 10th was.
However doing a quick google, I see that no one agrees with me.  Seems to be something to do with the crown chakra which is the final door to the big G..
Here's a link for the still interested http://www.adishakti.org/_/dasam_dvar_the_tenth_door_opens_into_the_abode_of_god_the_creator.htm
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was what they used to call meditating wasn't it.
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Modified by Jethro at Sat, Dec 16, 2017, 03:10:22
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I thought you were writing a spoof, and doing a good job of it. But no, it's someone else's spoof from 5,000 years ago! Hey everybody, block your holes!
When I started reading the forum, I was surprised how different people's impressions had been of Rawat, ranging from messiah to part-time meditation teacher via sorcerer, shaman, telepath and all sorts of perspectives. And when you listen to him, he says bugger all, but implies a lot. The Maharaji we saw on stage was very much something of our own making, we projected a great deal onto him, whatever we wanted or needed. I know I was very put off when he started wearing suits, and persuaded myself this isn't the real Maharaji (who in my mind epitomised rebellion in ways I wouldn't care to try to explain now). I projected my own guru, the one I wanted to see, onto him. Suits weren't part of that. Lila.
It was us projecting what we wanted onto him, hearing in his words what we wanted to hear that gave him his power. He was plastic enough for each of us to have our projections accommodated sufficiently for the deception to continue.
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I felt the same way about the suits - I think a lot of us did. At that age clothes were such a big deal a language in their own right and the suits were a big red flag, he wasn't genuine. When he added the homburg or whatever, that hat and the overcoat with the fur collar that he posed in for a photograph he made it clear he was selling us down the river.
wasn't that when the idealism of the early days got replaced with honchos and bongos?
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I am SSSOO GLAD one of the ji's techniques wasn't sitting with our thumb up our ass! But maybe if it was, we wouldn't have been duped.
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...this turning into a very holy discussion Now we know that holy comes from...holes.
Hollow sorrow.
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