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I wrote to a Mr. Richard Clarke at Clive Something Productions who handles booking for Mr. Rawat's speaking engagements asking him to check out EPO to read the other side of the coin of those who claim to have been hurt by god in a bod. Check out their AN AUDIENCE WITH series, where the frikkin LORD OF THE UNIVERSE is pictured in there with his awesome bio and Mr. Clarke's info. Looks like a tough ticket in Edingburoughggguuuuuuggh.
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Wow, well done. I really hope he reads it. Do you think it would help if someone else, or others, should contact him also?
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I've asked several prison governors to check out EPO. Peace is possible, but less likely when you have the help of a greedy narcissistic cult leader. I didn't phrase things like that. But still, someone critical comes across as someone with a grudge to bear. Bringing 'Peace' is good. Criticising someone bringing 'Peace' is bad. It's tricky. He has all the positive buzz words. We have words that require critical thinking to assess, and I think that's often too much work. Things are skewed in the charlatan's favour.
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yes, thank you for your post, John - it is exactly what I have found happening to me put into words.
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THE REPLY I RECEIVED : "Thank you for this [OTS], I will pass it on to Mr Conway on whose instructions Mr Rawat was added to the list of speakers offered by his company. I work for the company as a freelance booker, hence my name being placed on the page you append below. I suggest that you address any further concerns to Mr Conway himself if you feel so inclined. With best wishes" Yeah, Cheers, [Dick]. If I were a British Ex premie, I'd get off my ass and get to work here.
Modified by OTS at Wed, May 24, 2017, 08:49:47
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I'm wondering - do you think maybe Mr Conway is a premie?
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Hi, very interesting. I looked at the site. There are a few contact emails but not a direct mail to Mr Conway himself. Trying to work out which would be the best one for voicing of "concerns". Also I noticed if you hit "artists", then hit "R" Rawat comes up, so he is indeed on their books.....
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Con artist ...
Whoever is booking him, I would think Rawat pays lots of money to produce himself there no? If so, the bookies may not as concerned about whom he really is as getting the business going.
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...on their website. I couldn't find any reference to Rawat.
Embarrassed maybe? 
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Hi Folks, In a bored moment I had a look at what Rawat was up to, unsurprised to find the usual holiday to Europe with accompanied adultation from the declining premiedom. Glad to see others are still watching too. Couple of observations re: the http://www.cliveconwayproductions.com/ connection. This is a departure for Rawat, it is a wholly commercial contracting out of the glorification tour with virtually no premie hands on organisation. Of course it's still a cult audience, with premies offering the guarantee of cost coverage, in fact the deal probably includes an 'insurance' payment from WOPG to cover any loss. Going out to an contractor coincides with a virtual running down of HDSK (aka UK Elan Vital aka UK Divine Light Mission) which now has only a single employee and a fairly minimal income, at least compared to the past: http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/DocumentList.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1016818&SubsidiaryNumber=0&DocType=AccountList The run down of HDSK doesn't mean all the UK premies have seen the light - just that their cash now all goes to WOPG or into Rawat's personal bank accounts. Though the passing of Jon Cainer last year could have been a major financial hit given his apparent generosity to Rawat. I don't know if it was ever mentioned here, but the Inquest on JC made a specific point of underlining that at the time of death a substantial amount of cocain was present in the body, not exactly an adert for a lifetime of devotion and peace. Love and Rockets, Nik
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A few years ago, Jon told me he was earning £8m a year. His income had been steadily dropping since then, but still, he 's earned many millions. Besides the cocaine in his body, his bank accounts were empty when he died, leaving wife and kids with nothing, not even a house. Even the caravan in the drive would have to go to clear debts.
I can't put a figure on how much Jon sent to Rawat. Quite a bit of his money went on 1st class flights, 5 star hotels and he had a few dependants and his own indulgences. However I'm pretty sure Jon's demise will have had a substantial effect on Rawat's income stream.
Having attended the funeral and having known all his kids, I can say he left quite a mess behind, a lot of anger and disappointment. He was no advert for Rawat despite his clearly and frequently stated devotion.
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Take cocaine over the age of 50 & you're playing Russian roulette with heart attack/stroke even from just a casual toot at a party. Elderly hedonists of my aquaintance all know this, religious dupes obviously don't, or maybe they reckon they have immunity.
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I saw Jon at amaroo maybe that was 2015. I was verifying that I was out, I was already out in many ways but i was seeking closure. I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and see for myself. i didn't share my doubts with other premies, kept to myself most of the time. I don't know Jon but we got into a conversation, one of the few I had there. I wish I could remember his exact words, he was basically saying that he had arrived feeling like he hardly knew why he even came here, he was disenchanted somehow. Of all the people to express that too, it was me! some resonance going on. I cant recall my answer, but I was pretty guarded about how much of an ex I wanted to look like being there. I think I said I'd come to the conclusion the end game was to not need him anymore, that this is where his compassionate heart led me too. part of me believed that for a short time, it cushioned the blow and made it easier to walk away with my head high. I often wondered about him after that. On the last night of the event i caught up with him briefly again in the crowd, he'd had a top up and was back to being a believer or whatever. But he seemed remarkably close to realising his investment was not yielding a return. perhaps he'd had a toot with the lard and all was right with the world again
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OMG! This is too funny!!!
A musician? I remember just before I left Malibu, he was all of a sudden a painter of some sorts. Producing miserable crap.
Helped millions of people??? Why don't they ask us what we think about his help before writing such BS?
How much does he pay those guys to have a right to produce himself?
This Cie in Great Britain...I never heard of. But is the world so devoid of real artists that they have to sell clowns like Rawat?
Modified by Inis at Sun, May 28, 2017, 07:44:42
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No mention of him being an accomplished poet. I guess the list is already long enough.
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i know he was promoted among the premies as an inventor...or was it a designer of amazing techy things, I dunno he was putting himself forward as a sort of genius, but yeah the paintings and music were pretty abysmal.. he had a flashy camera that could capture drops, haha right now those remind me of the 'drips' we experience coming out of it. The expensive equipment and time on his hands suddenly turned him into an amazing artist in premies eyes. The collectable prints were on sale to raise funds, guaranteed fans for the 'art' work of course. Haven't heard of any art since.Not that I've been looking for it. He's a big fish in a small pond. Maybe he got bored with that camera
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Let's see, he's also said that he was a poet (and was going to write a "masterpiece", which never happened), had a watch invention, a modular house invention (which would revolutionize housing, esp. in amaroo, but never seemed to happen), numerous high tech gizmos that never materialized…he also mused that he could have gone into acting, the military, or been one of the richest men on earth (but of course didn't because he put knowledge first and was helping people)…..Oh, the things you can be in your own fantasy world….
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Oh, the things you can be in your own fantasy world….
Sounds like the beginning of a Dr. Seuss book.
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Looks like Clive Conway is a "fixer", arranging audiences with a pretty wide variety of B and C list celebs. How Rawat got selected is anyone's guess, but no doubt there'll be a fee/share of the box office involved. But who'd pay to see Rawat, other than premies? Unless there's a Q&A session at the end!Mr Conway is vice patron of the Tutu Foundation UK, and I believe Rawat and Tutu have some sort of mutual admiration thing going on between them. http://www.cliveconwayproductions.com/corporate.html
Related link: http://www.cliveconwayproductions.com/corporate.html
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Yes. This Clive Conway appears to be running a modern version of the impresario business. I'd never heard of it, but then I'm not of that world, livelyhood wise. That's just about all the British Isles stock of well known gobby fuckers he's got on his books, so he must be doing it right. As Nik says the interesting thing is that the premies here aren't organising the events anymore. Prem always goes for the best, so choosing this firm to handle things fits his mentality. How long he can continue in this way, having to pay for what was once free, I have no idea.
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This state of affairs could be also a pretty telling sign about his declining popularity amongst premies.
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That description is as wimpy and trite as they come. Milquetoast, even.
When I think of singing arti and having felt longing for my dear mother, father, sister, brother, friend, and lord, that description makes me want to howl in gut-wrenching guffaws (I'm too dignified to roll on the floor to laugh at Prem Rawat).
Rawat has morphed into his beige and gold furnishings and decor. If he had any fucking nuts he'd come on out as the messiah again. But, then they'd have to sanitize his milquetoast period. I've always said these 18 years that he did the best financially when he was the LOTU.
Just some light thinking... 
Modified by Cynthia at Mon, May 29, 2017, 14:46:48
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He definitely played the wrong cards. But I guess that is because he craved mainstream acceptance. Of course he never got that either, so he basically has just become, yeah a milquetoast.
But maybe the other aspect of this is that he really just isn't that interesting. Some of those other guys, like Rajneesh, regardless how warped they and their organizations were, were/are pretty damn charismatic. Without the extremely controlled pomp and circumstance surrounding him, Rawat is basically pretty boring and superficial.
It has been a really long time, but I can still remember that what drew me to the cult were other people, like mahatmas. Seeing Rawat for the first time was not a positive experience for me. I was a big turnoff. But I stupidly persevered anyway. I guess other people had a different perception of Rawat though. Can't say I really get it. Anytime I have shown a video of Rawat to anyone outside of the cult, they basically just laughed at him. The same thing when I once made the big mistake, after ashram times, to bring some friends to an event. They just took the piss out of him afterward and I was completely embarrassed. I think that was the last time I mentioned Rawat to anyone for decades.
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Cynthia: you always tell it like it is - and hold no punches - your clarity is very confronting in a good way
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"If he had any fucking nuts he'd come on out as the messiah again."
This almost inspired me to comment on a sanctioned 'timeless today' post on a premies face book today ,lol he's got a new domain name and is all excited coz it wasn't taken yet. Seriously that was what the 2 minute clip was about. The lard was skiting that he found that magically! unbelievably ! "timeless today" get it, get it, timeless, today- had not been taken, he immediately went on the net to see if it was available and it was there,!!!
I preferred him when he thought he was lord of the universe! !!!!!
I stopped myself but had to laugh Thanks Cynthia, so true
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In the endless stream of coded language, there is a new term now: "Themed Event." Anyone know what that means? My guess is that it means no non-cult members allowed, though I guess it could just as well mean the opposite, since the words themselves stand for nothing. Imagine going to a non-themed event.
"What did you do over the weekend?"
"Oh, I went to a non-themed event." "Really, that sounds intriguing, what was it about?" "Well nothing really, it was non-themed." "Er, okay, then what did you do there?" "Well we all just kind of stood around, but there was a short Indian guy who spoke about something, but I didn't understand a word of it." "Maybe next weekend you might want to join me for a Twin Peaks marathon instead."
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I listened to a call on a friends computer that came from wopg about amaroo and sponsership. premlata was on it,with 2 others i dont know apparently prem will choose the theme!!! and at each event he will be interviewed by 'a well known host' He has had themes that went on for Y E A R S death, that was a good one, years and years of it, interspersed with how futile relationships or ambitions are There was cheat and deceit. I bet he liked that one. After all he knows a lot about it oh I could go on but it is boring. honestly my brain freezes over when i try to recall them all.
This time he's apparently switching it up so that each event has a different theme, although it is unclear if he means each particular event or just each country, South Africa, England etc Unclear because vague as usual, because he can. The host will obviously have to be on board with reading pre themed questions, ergh I think it's a way to entice the world weary premies who may have realised by now after traipsing after him for years that he repeats himself, infuriatingly slowly, ad infinitum. The sheep are getting restless At every event, the same story and that with the dwindling charisma and all. Forking out all that hard to come by cash to spend an hour with his king size ego So now prem has hatched a new plan! Make the theme (which HE will choose, this has been specified) different for each event! ha! genius! although painfully belatedly.
So now, if his scheme works, (why wouldn't it, he's the lard) the terrified premies who are mortally afraid they're going to miss that moment when it all makes sense when he hits them between the eyes with a bolt of lightening and their brain fries altogether and they're in zombie heaven- finally! will run to each event to be up to date with the theme! or.... pay for it online ... yeah coz then they'll buy them all too, so as to not miss anything that falls from his sneering lip They will be sorely disappointed, the will be attending a media circus for brand prem one person on the call almost said the m word and then stopped herself and said prem instead, they all said prem this and prem that and he has expressed he wants more interaction at amaroo, but we just dont know what will happen , if its formal or informal, oooo. how much informality goes down, in all honesty... Just awkward
it's a wonder he hasn't thought of this before! Boot out the premies, they expect too much from him anyway, he can just be an ordinary millionaire swindler, peddling his peace talks. Hire the experts. Plus it's to his advantage that to any hired lacky it's like- Prem? alcohol, mistress, who cares, what cult? I'm pretty sure there was a brief theme on experts and how useless ex- perts are. He'll be singing their praises next, and all the dissonance will be going off all over the stunned premie heads. Amaroo is meant to be the beginning of his 60th celebrations, he's kicking the extra 'fun' off early. Oh yeah what a lot of 'fun' we had. I'd rather watch tv The sheep are getting out of the pen, the coffers must be filled. The emphasis now with the well known hosts and less events but more radio and tv broadcasts ( re interviews) the subject will be chosen by him apparently and they will be choosing hosts very carefully I think we should change the word premie to host. as in parasite the numbers reached will be 'record breaking' the poisonous dwarf has spoken
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Thanks! Funny and profound.
The issue of him needing to absolutely control the situation is just another indication of his weakness. Any halfway decent speaker, spiritual guru or otherwise, knows how to improvise, manage surprises and be spontaneous.
And he has had a lifetime of practice theoretically. But I guess not much in the genuine public space. His view forays have not gone well.
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Exactly. he's decided it's best to be sanctioned by the media, one that he can control and pretend to look spontaneous... he was able to buy some airtime through' well known hosts' in india obviously at various times and in sth africa, spain, probably other places, hell knows, so he's going to try that everywhere. It is a MEDIA focus now.The call made that clear. Reaching unprecedented numbers is the name of the game, he imagines people will pay to download his drivel. your purchase lasts 30 days, coz you are in fact renting the talk for 10$. then if he themes each event separately he can expect some people to rent each talk from each event because after all he very especially chose the theme. and sanctioned the questions, safe behind the camera and the editing suite from the premies questions, he is now safe in the 'live' interview situation by having the questions pre arranged by him premies think all this is just fine bland and beige and fine
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the poor premies, their poor heads!
I distinctly remember how he said he shunned the media in the early days telling us it wasn't a numbers game and could only be spread from heart to heart on an individual basis. (go forth and propagate my premies)
meanwhile back on planet earth I am all of a tizwoz because that farmhouse in Tasmania has come back on the market at a reduced price!! omg.
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Fantastic post SQ! I particularly loved this line.....the terrified premies who are mortally afraid they're going to miss that moment when it all makes sense when he hits them between the eyes with a bolt of lightening and their brain fries altogether and they're in zombie heaven- finally!
Wasn't that so true; couldn't miss a thing because the undertone of expectation was that he would eventually reveal who he truly is at the perfect time. We had better be there and be ready or goodbye for all of eternity.
And he is still at it. Playing on peoples hopes and dreams, dragging out the fake cataclysmic epiphany when it all will supposedly and finally make sense. Pay up Premies! Hang in there. Its about to happen. And when he does reveal himself, we would have been the smart ones who knew it all along.
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Haha ha, it's like a tedious soap opera, decades of bad acting- 'dragging out the fake cataclysmic epiphany' I remember it well. It's about to happen! on edge somehow every time. Beige AND on edge! perfect soap opera BS. I even dressed the part. There was an undercurrent of fashion that had 'conference' and 'delegate' written all over it. Definitely not cult member I don't think I wore my cult garb many other places. We ARE the smart ones, we're already here. Whew at least I made the effort! Against all odds... God forgive me ( my mum was dying, my husband was leaving me and the whole family needed me) no joke
Looking back I think I was really incredibly selfish and dumb and cut off from my real emotions to the point of numb. i sure drank the kool aid. Lucky me though. The epiphany happened already. I don't need him or his fake knowledge. Never did. Sometimes I think I'd quite like the informal kind of darshan now, you know, pass the poisonous dwarf in the street , spit on his feet and (thank you monty python) fart in his general direction
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