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I don't much care about the headline. I think that's what people in that time called what now is called coercive control. But you have a point, the headline overstates it almost to the point of people rolling their eyes and turning the page. That is a problem. 2. The cult numbers dwindled and many left. It's true. I still think as big as it was, what remains matters. If people not acknowledging the numbers are so low, in the West, now, bothers you, people discounting the significance of the fact there is still a following at all bothers me. 3. Premies were mostly pretending, because we were all caught in the living "Emperor's New Clothes" we were pretending to be happy and we knowledge never proved anything about God. 4. Ted Patrick and the forcible kidnappings was an actual crime. That was wrong and illegal and I would be more on the side of the kidnapped cult member than Patrick. Cults commit all sorts of crimes themselves, but the ends do not and did not justify the means, and the kidnappings, to me, were so wrong they hurt the exposure of cults, who could and did point to the deprogrammings as wrong, and they were, but the cults also used that to deflect attention from their own crimes. I wish there had been no forcible deprogrammings. The thing I found most interesting in this article you didn't point to. The community members defending the cult there one named Sivitz. From a link to Prem Bio same series of articles 1979 https://prem-rawat-bio.org/newspapers/1979/sincity_1979-02-04.html "In recent months, the Cincinnati premies have included two sisters and a brother-and-sister team. "We try to share, We try to explain." Insisting on anonymity, he acknowledges that premies have developed an aversion to talking with reporters. It is based, in part, on "bad press" Guru Maharaji has had since he arrived as a 14-year-old guru in the early 1970s, and in the tales told by former premies. Even James Sivitz, the local co-ordinator, is not free to be interviewed, the young man added. Sivitz and his sister, Susan, are members of the Cincinnati DLM community, he confirmed. The young man's name and telephone number, and the Sivitz's names, came from a former member of the Cincinnati Group. "I followed Guru Maharaj Ji even before he came to this country," the young man said, recalling his wide reading about religion. His family, all Catholics, were unhappy with his allegiance to Guru Maharaj Ji: loving and following a live teacher inspires suspicion. There "always is an element of fear when something is new." The young man said Guru Maharaj Ji's spiritual influence affects each individual differently. "It's nothing material, it's nothing physical," he said. "You can't put it in words … It goes beyond him. "It's not just the guy who lives out in Malibu." Guru Maharaj Ji lives on a palatial, walled esstate in Malibu, Calif. Guru Maharaji elevates an individual's desire to know the truth, to know God, he said, and such self realization leads to a happier, more content life. It's not easy to explain, given DLM's oral tradition and the differences between Guru Maharaj Ji's teachings and traditional Western religious belief and practice. For the young man on the telephone, Guru Maharaj Ji provided the "missing piece" in his life, the "love that I never felt." Llee Sivitz is leading the Zoom conversation with three people, one a judge, in an Ohio court, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Fg5qYJI58 this is promoting the Peace Education Program. Llee Sivitz and James Sivitz, teach a class too, at an Ohio College, "UPDATED 4012 Peace Education Program: The Art of Knowing Yourself Thursdays, Jan. 19 – Mar. 9, 1:25 – 2:40 p.m. (ADI) $5 The purpose of this media-based, educational program created by the Prem Rawat Foundation is to help participants explore the possibility of personal peace and discover inner resources — tools for living such as inner strength, choice, appreciation, and hope. These workshops focus on a selection of core themes from the addresses of International Ambassador of Peace Prem Rawat. Each session includes several video segments, time for reflection, and accompanying reading materials. This course is about self-discovery with secular content, a workbook, and no tests. Co-Moderators: James and Llee Sivitz, husband and wife, are local volunteers who have been trained by the Prem Rawat Foundation to facilitate this course. It is an ongoing offering at the Cancer Support Community in Cincinnati and also at the Warren and Lebanon Correctional Institutions. another example of her Prem Rawat promotion https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1266296150505740 and, her book, has a credit to the recently mentioned premie medico Edd Hanzelik Speaking of the premie doctors Modified by Susan at Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 21:18:10 |
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