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Divine Times ~ August 1978 ~ Volume 7, Number 5. Page 18.

From Prem Rawat's talk called... "Take Those Three Steps" at the Guru Puga Festival, Tucson, Arizona, July 16, 1978.

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Divine Times ~ August 1978 ~ Volume 7, Number 5, Page 19.

From Prem Rawat's talk called... "Take Those Three Steps" at the Guru Puga Festival, Tucson, Arizona, July 16, 1978.

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About Page 18... I happen to have a copy of that book by Arthur B...
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It is a book of quotes from Prem Rawat that are more than scary.






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Rawat - DENOUNCE YOURSELF NOW
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Prem Rawat is actually talking about the path of enlightenment in that speach, the merging of the individual indentity into the Infinite and how the Master personifies that state.  He is not being obscure and wishy washy about loving your own breath and enjoying your life, as he does exclusively these days.

BUT...

there is such a hugh problem in the path for enlightenment with a guru.  This human effort to transcend ego within a guru's cult really is both hopeless and quite harmful, doomed to failure and disappointment.  Stepping outside of oneself, in the quiet of one's own introspection, is lovely and comforting.  It can be instructive to our lives and a boon to our emotions.   But when one human being presents himself as the personification of the goal and the other human being presents himself as the humble student, then the whole affair eventually becomes a hugh problem.  Guruism is one of the worst possible endeavors. 

 Ego is not worthless, it is our identity in this world, and to give it up to another ego is against all nature.  (And nobody really ever does it, either - they play-act.).   Gurus will tell you that true love is found only in the Master/student relationship, but this is pure hogwash, not pure love.  The guru/disciple relationship is just as problematic as any other human relationship, even more so eventually because of the inherent impossibility of one man being a master to another.  Subjugating to a guru is one of the worst things a person can do, and the idealism that initiates the horribly wrong decision to accept a guru must eventually give way to the renounciation of the guru.  (That is why I am doing time on this forum - and I am happy to do so). 

 I am so glad that the man who died, in the thread above this one, did in fact resign his postion of service to Prem Rawat before he died.  There is nothing wrong with the yearning for peace, understanding and yes, even the unending.  There is nothing wrong with acting in accordance with that yearning.  But we MUST find it in ourselves, and by ourselves, and serve no other person in that search. 

 The lies of Elan Vital, even just the public relations lies that they tell on their website in order to accentuate the positive, are unworthy of the truth that we seek.  Prem Rawat can only disappoint, never fulfill, his student who seeks truth.  The students who remain with him do so with the two swords of idealism and stubborness, and by the grace of their own self-prolonged ignorance. 

 Prem Rawat, like any other man, can promote peace, understanding, the humble giving up to the higher power even, but it is the absolute height of ego-sickness to present oneself to others as the goal of their seeking, or the personification of the infinite.  Rawat must come out from behind his Wizard of OZ veil.  At this point, that is the only good thing he can do in this world. 

 Look at the actual effect he has on people's lives, in the example given in the thread above.  Is that harmony?  Is that truth?  No.  And the conflicting reports about this one man's allegiance to Rawat are unseemly, awkward, downright ugly and such conflicting reports are inevitable in guruism.  And these conflicts are ultimately of no significance, entirely beside the point of our lives.  The only thing that matters is what that man learned and felt within himself.  The call for donations to Rawat at that man's death is one of the most sad and misguided things I've ever heard of.

Rawat, do everybody a favor.  Denounce yourself now.  Tell the truth for once in your life.






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