I just sent Rennie this invitation
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Jim ®

02/20/2006, 19:15:35
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Hi Rennie,
 
I'm not sure if you know but your reply to John Brauns about Rawat (a/k/a Maharaji, a/k/a the Lord of the Universe) has triggered a whole lot of discussion.  I must admit, mine was one of the first and angriest replies.  But I believe that, as a man who still proudly thinks of himself as a "voice of his generation" -- and such an iconoclastic generation at that! -- you can take a little jostling, can't you?  Have you read the replies?  There's a bunch of them.  The first thread starts here:
 
 
and the newer one here:
 
 
Someone rightly noted that, when Mike Dettmers first chimed in, he, too, was rather trite and smug about Rawat.  Like you, Mike took the position that, although they'd gone their separate ways, he had no reason to fault his former guru.  Shit happens, etc.
 
It didn't take too long, however, before sincere, robust dialogue helped Mike grow past that pat defensiveness or guardedness or whatever you want to call it.  Talking frankly with exes allowed Mike to open up a bit and truly explore and express much that had been suppressed about Rawat for decades.
 
Let me ask you something, Rennie.  Do you really think that you've honestly and openly come to terms with the whole Rawat charade that you were, for a moment in time, a very central player?  I'm sorry, but your reply to John suggests that quite the opposite is true.  You seem to hid behind a very convenient, not to mention suspect, new age dismissal of personal responsibility on anyone's part.  Thus Rawat's just fine so long as he seems "charming and positive".  And you're just fine too, I take it, so long as you do likewise?
 
Rennie, look, no one's trying to blame you for anything big.  We all know that we all had our parts, large and small, keeping that circus going.  The same bug that got you, got us all.  But school's out now, brother.  We can talk honestly about all this, get real, share some real laughs and insights.  Compare notes about some of all that was so suppressed and secret back in the Kabuki theatre known as "Maharaji's World".  I'm inviting you to roll up your sleeves and mix it up a bit with the few people on earth who might even know what the hell you were talking about when you said:
 
Guru Maharaj Ji will single-handedly bring HDTV to every household in America by the year 1980.  And, serving him, I and countless other brothers and sisters will personally install this cable service in your homes for free.  We will show you how to use not just some but all of the functions on the remote.  Guru Maharaj Ji says that only HDTV can enable us to see at last who is God  ...
 
Okay, that's a bit of a joke. But you get the point.  Come over and talk with us.  Agree, disagree, put up your dukes or take it on the chin.  You won't regret it.  In fact, if I understand your philosophy correctly, you can't regret it!   So there's nothing to lose.  And besides, we'd love to have you!
 
Sincerely,
 
Jim Heller
 
P.S. You really are a bit of an asshole staying thin like that.  How'd you do it? 






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Dermot ®

02/20/2006, 19:59:14
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Ok, worth a try I suppose. As I said, I tend to agree with Nigel( and tend to a lot, haha) but at least you've couched it in a humorous way which, if responded to by Rennie, will more likely than not deflate any prospect of a pompous arrival, visit and departure on his part. So no harm done and no harm in trying.






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Agree...
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02/21/2006, 10:23:47
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And I tend to agree with Dermot (it's this  arrangement we have for a bit of mutual validation when we're out here in scary forum-land 

What Jim's doing is great.  Can't fault it - and that's the 'off your own bat' approach I was suggesting below.  And his email isn't arse-licking, which was another concern of mine.  I was mostly bothered by the way it might look if we set up some sort of collective petition of questions, which, at best, might make Rennie's XXXXl hat even larger.  At worst, we could give the impression of a witch-hunt if he declines to satisfy our demands:

'No-one expects zee Exes Inquision. Our main tactics are fear, surprise and a fanatical determination to drag in anyone who doesn't immediately admit that Rawat has rotted their soul to the very core, and for which they repent in no uncertain terms...'

If Rennie replies to Jim, we might have a story.  Otherwise, it's no big deal in the bigger picture.  But definitely the right approach, IMO.






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Re: Agree...hahaha...
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02/21/2006, 14:42:36
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'No-one expects zee Exes Inquision. Our main tactics are fear, surprise and a fanatical determination to drag in anyone who doesn't immediately admit that Rawat has rotted their soul to the very core, and for which they repent in no uncertain terms...'

So funny.

Just to change tack slightly, though,I'll also turn the focus right on myself, too.Here and over yonder I never want to compromise what I believe in and never want to shy away from expressing myself in what I consider to be the appropriate manner ( depending on certain factors) but, also, I never want to take myself too seriously, as if I have everything completely sussed.

Not forgetting two things I still have to improve on....clarity in expressing myself and , just as important, brevity whenever it's more appropriate. 






Modified by Dermot at Tue, Feb 21, 2006, 14:52:42

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Heller at his best I'd say, nice one Jim (nt)
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hamzen ®

02/20/2006, 20:00:09
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Now you've gone and done it
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02/20/2006, 23:45:57
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If he opens up more we won't know if it's because of the nice but firm email you sent him or the nice but firm email I sent him! 

But seriously, my satellite TV provider has just started broadcasting some channels in HDTV.  Do you think Rennie can advise me on whether I should go for this now, and what's required on my part?  Do I need a new television set?

John.






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You should be banned from using that emoticom for 48 hrs
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02/21/2006, 14:02:00
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Yes, but what about the HDTV?
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02/21/2006, 18:04:10
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Brilliant: In fact, if I understand your philosophy correctly, you can't regret it!
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Ocker ®

02/21/2006, 01:00:35
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You think that kind of sarcasm like....will work?
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02/21/2006, 15:16:45
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A bit difference with Dettmers was a behind-the-scenes communication from quite a few people.  I don't know if that is happening here.  I can't see why Rennie would respond positively to your "request" which seems more like a big put down, kind of like Rennie's email to John, but without the new-age condescending, passive-aggressive element.





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Short answer: maybe
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Jim ®

02/21/2006, 15:45:02
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Joe,

You might be right but then again who knows?  If Rennie's really tripped the light fantastic, cyncial, sarcastic fools like me are just grist for the mill. 







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Even shorter answer...
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nigel ®

02/21/2006, 16:13:05
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No!

But full marks to Jim for trying.







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Either that, or....
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Joe ®

02/22/2006, 14:30:15
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Rennie, like lots of new age types, may have the illusion he is open minded and sees you as one of the confused people who aren't open and so he wouldn't want to discuss anything with you.  So, he's like a premie that way.






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Re: You think that kind of sarcasm like....will work?
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02/21/2006, 16:21:59
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It's difficult to know what would work with a flake like Rennie. Unlike Dettmers, Rennie is essentially unserious.

The more I think of it, the more kudos to John for having winkled any response at all out of the man.
 






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