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Thanks for the warning George. I am curious though. Why do you feel the need to warn us? A warning is usually advice that something bad might happen.
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13, I think George is being ironic, and actually poking fun at the Lord of the Universe and the service managers. Service manager = mahatma, initiator? How the mighty have fallen. Sounds more like a gas (petrol) station to me! Perhaps that is it after all!
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Damn I am sure you are right!
I am British too - no excuse for missing that.
Good one George!
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That's 1 billion per service area manager (SAM). I hope they are strategically placed. They're gonna be busy. Wow. Propagation is taking off. Finally. Thanks for the warning.
Modified by Cynthia at Mon, May 28, 2007, 06:18:49
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That's the one where the tongue is pressed to inside of either the left or the right cheek.
Modified by JHB at Mon, May 28, 2007, 09:59:42
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Well, that's the technique I was trying to practice too, but again, I failed!
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Rawat's version of the samouri epic - the legendary Seven SAMs ? Or perhaps just flacid Nazgul. Sauron was Tolkein's nightmare of heavy industry, Rawat is the Dark lord manifest for the age of the Service Industry - mass death by suited management. Good to know he's in touch with the young folks though, they just love all that crazy business speak !!! N
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You are right Nik. The young love his teachings. And, since the old
premies under the influence of the guru never got to grow up, they
remain in the young category. They love the roller coaster experience and to stay on track "all" they have to do is meditate one hour a day. Propagation is about to start! Oh..I'm so sad I'm missing THAT. Augh..
To devotees, peace is not having to ask themselves any questions. Celebrating their blinders is enough for them, right George? VERY convinient irresponsibility. Devotess are warm and comfortable, so they think, just as we ex-devotees thought in the past while worshiping the absurd same dream. We were so happy in that jail, and so proud of it.
But is better to be hot or cold, than warm.
Apathy is a horrible thing, being warm is being in the middle.
No sides to be taken; a ship left to the fate of the waves, enjoying the exciment of being lost. Breath in, breath out, control your thoughts.....
Abundant fear and weird emotions to keep them "warm", not having to acknowledge anything, just the words of the sick enano master; lots to be proud of. In ignorance, they are overlooking the most important questions. One, "Who is guru maharaka?". Go at it George, The god you deserve. Enjoy it.
Your only reference: a shinning STAR. Follow the small shinning star, get lost, enjoy it. I'm cheering your fate.
Some of us still love GOD. How many times we had to repeat the alphabet to learn it? We learned it in kingdergarten! Done!
But premies need to be reminded for 30 years of what is important? Worship "me", stay in touch. Of course they need to be pounded with that. The master needs the cheers of the lost too. He CANNOT let go of them. No devotees, no $$$master$$$. They belong together, marginated in their little miserable world of darkness, and since misery wants company, they want everybody to go to hell with them. Absurd.
As soon as they stop listening to gurumean they get doubts, so, the guruship have to keep reminding devotess how much they need him. SWEET BULLSHIT! They are propagating....hillarious. Propagation is ABOUT to take off, inflating numbers. LIES!
I can show you GOD became, I show you me, the lord of darkness.
Poor guys. We are so lucky to have escaped folks, so lucky.
The Internet sites showing how they "have fun" explains what they feed on to remain young. Putrid elements, so are the fruits. Isolated, and dancing and cheering about it. Celebrating the jail.
The god most people deserve is what they got. AUGHH.
RAWAT, WHY NOT FREE THE PREMIES?
Is time, isn't?
aren't you sick of the same ride? AUGHH
HOW BORING AND MEAN!
Silvia, who is not going anywhere until you stop, just because I "love you" gurushi, I will never abandon you. I want to be sure the light you deserve will shine on you.
PS: George, I know you believe you are involved in something good. Wake up brother!
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Hay, what with the world in such bad shape, this army of 7 should really go a long ways to changing the entire dynamic and structure of the whole planet! Let's see how Rawat could divide their territory. He could easily divide them by geography - the 7 continents. Or, he could divide by problems (he claims all problems stem from the lack of "His" peace), say one for the Mid East, one for Climate Change, one for hunger/poverty, one for greedy industrialism, one for widows and orphans, one for malaria, and lastly one for road rage. I am sure he will get these 7 highly esteemed SAM's in action and we will see great changes in the planetary structures PRONTO! Maybe he could change one of those territories to deal with greedy self serving religious and cult figures. Think about it, "Imagine no religion." Imagine no cults run by greedy bastards. I am sure whatever Rawat does with the "Fabulous Seven," they will rise above the crowd as a phalanx of inspiration, drive, organizational excellence, integrity, and above all determination to rid the world of all the ills in which we mere mortal morons slog through the mire of every day. Oh, wait, what about misaims? He really needs to rid the world of misaims. Or is it prions? Or should it be......... Thinking too hard again and my brain is overheating, Karen
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Maybe there is one for each of the "Seven Deadly Sins".
Or, maybe they are the new "Magnificent Seven."
Or Willie Nelson's "Seven Spanish Angels".
Maybe each one will spread one of the "Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit".
One for each of the "Seven Sacraments"?
Or maybe he could only find seven people on the entire planet who will work that hard for nothing.
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Or, Snow White & the seven dwarves. I wonder which unlucky bastard the Lotus has marked down as Dopey.
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Hi Lp, I don't mean to put this (key) attachment on you but your always so helpful when it comes to understanding this Prem Rawat nonsense. And so... here is another example of Prem Rawat talking about grace. Trust me, I like the pictures you post much better than this cult crap. So don't worry about replying to these Prem Rawat's words unless ofcourse you want to. Like I've said before we deserve better. Best Thoughts along with Health and Happiness.
Modified by hilltop at Tue, May 29, 2007, 02:08:44
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(5th technique master) It is unlikely that all Prem's SAMs should be Sheilas or spawn from dusty regions, or for that matter be particularly incandescent: totally OT.
But this teazer you have sent, I cannot make head or tail of.
It appears the Raw one speaks of another sky and another moon and other stars. And his sky is warm. (98.6F or real warm?) Of course our usual sky warms up in the daytime.
But how shamelessly he plans how he will serve up himself to the masses. One wonders what would happen if someone got extra darshan. Perhaps, too holy now, they would challenge the whole package himself. But my guess is that the whole interminable process would take even longer, though I quite enjoy contemplating other possibilities.
They might bloat out, go all shiny and develop beach ball syndrome for example.
With parts of jeep all over my bedroom and garage I can't help noticing the Prem's fascination for the image of premie wrapping paper. Did someone have a moving darshan accident? Or was this around the time he wrapped himself around a boat?
(Thanks for pic of chair, and its pseudo Krishna's "This is my left arm" revelations.)
Still baffled,
Lp
Modified by Lp at Wed, May 30, 2007, 07:18:32
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Hi Lp, You did great! Really. I also enjoyed your humor. After all, it's not easy making sense of someone like Prem Rawat who in my honest opinion must be somewhat mentally ill within his own mind. Awe poor guy, who has spent a ton of money on himself over the years. Trying to hang onto all those millions of dollars that is/was given to him by his followers.. (with inflation) now that is hard work. I think Prem Rawat mentions darshan here many times because he always likes to blabber on and on about his own self importance. Darshan (or darshame) is after all about bowing down before him and kissing his feet. Not to metion putting money into envelopes. So when he says... don't go through darshan twice (it also means you don't get to kiss his feet twice) so when you do get to kiss his fat feet just that one time, it only makes it even all that much more speacil. I wonder what Prem Rawat really thinks about it all? 1. YES! I do have the Keys to This Life so have graditude and stay in touch. I should be respected and honored. I brought the world, peace. 2. YES! I need to keep the keys to mansions, jets, cars, boats, bank accounts, ect. and anything else that I might want. What are the choices really? (Not that you don't know this already) Again. If we are going to honest about this. What is the Truth? 1. Prem Rawat was and is the Lord All Powerful. (now he's just human) 2. Prem Rawat was and is a Sick and Very Greedy (mind abusing conman) 3. Prem Rawat is misunderstood, who only cares about You and Peace. I think number 1. 2. and 3 go together because it's all apart of the scam. I just reread your post again, so you made me laugh more than once. "Did someone have a moving darshan accident" Thanks Lp. Also, I want you to make me a chair. How much did that one cost to make? Please don't be baffled with that attachment... Prem Rawat is a baffle. Hilltop
Modified by hilltop at Thu, May 31, 2007, 02:23:41
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The little balsa wood design prototypes they had me make were only 3" tall, but they cost me a month of nights of sleep, same with stage designs etc. Ditto: another time; for house refurbishments.
Oh! that Maraji. He dismisses the world and the physical universe as unreal and then tries to make himself important by saying he's the lord of it.
Then he expects people to believe that his person alone in all of that is infinite. Why should it be? Family tradition? Techniques?
Thanks Hilltop.
Modified by Lp at Thu, May 31, 2007, 03:51:38
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I was on my way to darshan in Arizona, when I was coming into a place called Ghost Town, I saw it written on the hill. I'd been driving all night. I remembered thinking I should fill up the VW bus - a bat hit my windscreen - a huge truck swept past - in the slipstream perhaps, the slack steering wandered a little to the right by itself. There were no white lines there: a new black surface stood proud from the verge and the long straight road angled a few degrees to the left at that place.
I had glanced anxiously at the needle nearing empty. Looking up again I saw only desert ahead and that: down a steep bank.
I regained the road somehow, miraculously, but the van rolled sideways, one and a quarter times, to a road strewn stop. Though none was too badly hurt we arrived Sunday night as the program was ending. Getting permission to get late darshan we were allowed before his self himself.
Seeing the bandage around my head he was filled with hearty and robust laughter, and called his bodyguards around to share. So it wasn't a complete loss, (though the van was totalled), we gave them a good laugh.
lp
Modified by Lp at Thu, May 31, 2007, 17:10:11
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Did you thank the "Lord" for His Lila?
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Hi Karen, actually I felt hurt that he found it funny, and took it as a lesson to not go to programs any more. One that I was to forget and relearn several times before it stuck.
To tell the truth, I was never much of a "Lila" man, suspecting that that word could become a cop out to cover a multitude of sins or to give him credit for everything. I'd already seen some scary examples of its usage in India.
It was more popular in the gopi camp, where I felt out of place.
Saph.
Modified by Lp at Thu, May 31, 2007, 18:56:39
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Hi Saph, Good for you. I was deeeeeeep in the gopi camp. Karen
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Mastergrabino told us darshan was very necesary. For him! He needed/needs the money darshan brings to him, so, we were brainwashed to believe that darshan was some type of soul cleansing, or grace we were to receive from him. Waht a pinocchio. "Stay in touch"=bring me your money. A SCAM IT IS. Internet, Rawat's biggest nightmare, and his face in the mirror, that too.
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the unlucky bastard HAS to be him.
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Hi George. Your post is either hysterically funny, or deeply disturbing. Can you help me out? Are you being sarcastic or serious?
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. These people have received the privilege and highest honor of the Masters direction on how to help people to express their gratitude in a very practical way for the divine gift of Knowledge and thereby bringing peace to the planet
..."to express their gratitude in a very practical way" Sounds like money collecting to me ! Same old stuff ;The Magnificent (fundraising) Seven; .Who could they be ? Yoram,Glenn, Raja Ji..........
Modified by lexy at Mon, May 28, 2007, 15:14:38
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...because your report could be factual I'm stuck between a chuckle and concern. Here is some fuel for your next post..... How many units of gratitude generate one waft of grace?
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Good point and Great question! And that's about right... because much of Prem Rawat's talk for many, many years was about grace. What happened to that grace? Nowadays, he seems to like the word graditude. Gee I wonder why?
Modified by hilltop at Tue, May 29, 2007, 00:21:06
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By Dr. Seuss Say!
I like green eggs and ham!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat them in a boat.
And I would eat them with a goat...
And I will eat them in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so good, so good, you see!
So I will eat them in a box.
And I will eat them with a fox.
And I will eat them in a house.
And I will eat them with a mouse.
And I will eat them here and there.
Say! I will eat them ANYWHERE!
I do so like
green eggs and ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am!
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"Maharaji
has been speaking about his vision of Service. He recently
participated in the production of a Service Area Management Training
where guidelines were developed to ensure that service opportunities
are made available with the dignity, respect and enjoyment that
Knowledge offers."
But if "Knowledge" offers "dignity, respect and enjoyment", well actually if it provides "dignity, respect and enjoyment" through it's practice then any reasonably practiced "premie" would automatically make "service opportunities" or anything at all available with "dignity, respect and enjoyment".
I believe I'm becoming a lttle depressed that people can be so stupid. I really feel like taking a megaphone going down to the next service opportunity meeting and repeatedly shouting "Premies, how f__king stupid can you be? You've already been meditating for over 30 f__cking years!"
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In years to come May 26th 2007 will be considered a very special day as it will celebrate the start of the true millennium. It was on this day that the first event was held that, was organized by fully trained Service Area Managers. It was held in Malibu and the Lord Himself (by His Grace) appeared before a delighted audience. Please refer to http://innerlink.typepad.com/ for more information. In His Light and truly by His Grace George P.S. turey, shame on you for asking such a question, I am sure you remember the answer to that one!
Modified by George at Tue, May 29, 2007, 02:59:59
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"Where is it? Where is my watch? Where is my precious watch?" It's on your wrist. Fulfillment is the same way. You have to look in the right direction. If you look inside, you will find it. If you look outside, you won't find it. One of my drips came when I was watching a video of Rawat where he was talking about one of his "precious" watches disappearing. He admitted to getting ugly and accusing people of stealing he watch, which later turned up behind some furniture. I could imagine ho ugly he got about it and I didn't like his attachment to material wealth. Karen
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...so declares Captain Prem the Wise, about nature. Hmm. No philosophical/ideological context there then eh Prem? Just pure insight and "experience" huh?..Double hmmmmm. What a grouping too-illusions,ideas, concepts, all merged in one glomp- "We don't want any of that now do we students?!" "Ohh Nooo, Mr. Maharaji, none of that nasty illusion/idea/concept thing for us!" "Just That Peace like you say" Run Premies Run! Love Bryn
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Bryn, try to learn from the master! Nature doesn’t have time for anything frivolous. When that eagle takes off, it has a precise agenda. It’s not like – “Oh, I have had enough of this. Let’s see what’s happening around the corner.” No. Everything is so precise. Because this is the result of millions and millions and millions of years of evolution. Efficiency rules. Do not waste your time. Get done what has to be done. And there are no exceptions. None. Eagles are the result of millions and millions of years of evolution ...and ermm well humans aren't ?!? ...well not frivolous ones anyway .. best Tim 
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It would be amusing to hear Mr Rawat talk some more about evolution. He's right about the eagle. Millions of years of evolution honing its efficiency.
And us? Have we evolved to efficiently realise 'Knowledge', recognise the Perfect Master? Rawat has very often talked of 'Knowledge' being the purpose of life. I would like to see the loops he'd have to go through to tie that in with his new-found understanding of evolution!
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Took first step...nothing. Second step...drips galore. Third step...shat upon. Xth step...woke and split. In case I missed your introduction could you tell a little about yourself George.
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Hello everyone, firstly I thank you for your tolerance and good humour with my post and comments on SAM’s. Was it a spoof? Well interestingly not really. Until very recently I have been in the loop of many FC and email communications with currently practising premies . Capital H’s in reference to Him do come up often as do references to his divinity. And the SAMT is by far the new saviour and the in thing to be and do. If you have even applied to be trained then people come from a far to listen to your words. It is very strange. But when you are slightly removed one can see that it is the same old same old as was “the training”, “keys operator”, instructor , initiator, mahatma ashram premie, community coordinator, “service at the residence” thing revisited again and again and for some reason all is forgiven and a fresh start is approved. Now doing service is going to be FUN, because it is official because m has said so. It is a manipulation to an extreme and almost sinister degree.
I left the cult a couple of years back now and went through what would seem to be a common process of suffering, anger, blame and disbelief. Certainly these pages were of great solace to me as was the discovery that I could once again think for myself, enquire, examine, explore and experiment with realms and process previously considered taboo. To my surprise, I found the world to be a wonderful place; people were not sad and lost as I had been lead to believe for so long. I discovered that premies did not have exclusive ownership on happiness or enlightenment; in fact the exact opposite is appearing to be true. In comparison to other groups or bodies of people premies would seem to be some what dysfunctional and certainly nothing special that would attract your attention. I have found that there are, many many many people that appreciate the gift of life and celebrated it. And celebrate it openly without secrecy or need for financial reward. It is such a delight.
In a bid to seek some closure I travelled all the way to Amaroo last fall (September 06). I was able to attend for one day only, but that was actually enough for me. The realisation that I came to, was that it was I who had disconnected myself from a belief; just as I had connected myself to one thirty years previously. It was that simple, I now longer believed in the story and so when it came to the afternoons discourse his words were foreign to me in fact they seemed like total dribble and the premies fawning and laughing at nothing in particular was strange and disconcerting . I was stunned by how much I had filtered my perception of life and facts to support a belief that I had taken on board a long time ago, it took my breath away but I must admit I did begin to feel a great sense of relief and freedom. I was happy I went but so very glad to leave.
So thank you once again for your indulgence and the support, these pages provide for people in my situation. Putting this post up was a put of a big deal so I may just rest a while.
George.
Modified by George at Wed, May 30, 2007, 05:47:01
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Welcome George, My post above was meant in humor, so I hope you took it that way. It is amazing to find out that without Maharaji the world is a wonderful place inhabited by people who are able to be happy. You sound well. I had a similar experience at my last program with M. It was a couple of months before I exited the cult, but sitting in that auditorium listening to him while seeing the usual premie reactions felt so foreign to living a normal life, that it set in motion all the subsequent 'drips' that led me away forever. It's also great to leave behind all the cult induced guilt-trips like not giving any more money, not caring about meditation, no-notice travelling to programs, etc. Best wishes, Cynthia
Modified by Cynthia at Wed, May 30, 2007, 08:50:30
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I'm glad to hear that you have freed yourself from the world of denial and manipulation. The SAM program seems to be another great move forward allowing another opportunity of surrendering ones life to Mr Rawat. Some of my family and old friends are still practicing premies. There is an unspoken agreement not to bring up the elephant in our midst. Your tongue in cheek reply to me dredged up memories (the shat upon part) that I cannot share with them. This forum offers the only space for me to learn of others experiences and to give mine. I hope we can be an antidote of sorts to those who have sincerely offered their hearts, time and resources to one who takes and has no intention of giving much less offering the grace of crossing the universe in response to our one step. Looking forward to your further posts. In gratitude, turey.
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Thanks for pouring your heart out to us. It is always good to know that the forum and EPO are reaching people and help them to find their way in a world without Rawat worship. Thanks for taking the time to fill us in. I hope you'll come back and post some more. Marianne
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Hi George It feels so good each time anew to share this realization that Rawat has no hold on us . Each one who realizes that brings to light the ultimate truth – it was a cult, it is a cult and it will always be a cult. Thank you and all the best
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