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Steve ®

05/18/2007, 13:28:46
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 . . . despite what Rawat told us in all his putdowns.




Related link: http://www.mindhacks.org/2007/03/29/modern-day-rainman-turned-michael-jordan/

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Nik ®

05/18/2007, 15:01:28
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I don't understand the point you are making Steve -

In this video an autistic high school basketball manager, who is used to feeling different his whole life, gets his shot in the limelight by coming off the bench for the last 5 minutes of a ballgame.

The events that unfold are nothing short of staggering as he stuns his high school friends by shooting 6 three pointers in the space of 4 minutes. Witness the jubilation of the whole hall as a kid with hardship and learning difficulties throughout his life reaches the top of the world!

Are we really measuring incredible potential on the basis of shooting hoops ? All I can see from this story is a validation of the social theory of disability - the autistic teenager is not disabled by his condition, merely disempowered because the society around him creates tests which are geared to demonstrate the scale of his disablement. And then we are all amazed when his performance does not conform to the expectations of his impairment that have previously been taken as established fact ?

It's the use of the word 'incredible' that sets the tone - the potential of all human beings simply 'is' - in no case is it 'without credibility'.

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Steve ®

05/18/2007, 16:48:24
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Are we really measuring incredible potential on the basis of shooting hoops ?

It's an incredible display of athleticism no?

It's the use of the word 'incredible' that sets the tone - the potential of all human beings simply 'is' - in no case is it 'without credibility'.

People were amazed by what he did. I know I was.  I guess the point I'm making is that we all have an incredible amount potential and that we don't need Rawat in our face to realize it.







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05/18/2007, 17:07:10
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Steve,

Well I liked the video.  Rawat's world of mental health disclaimers, DVDs and 'events' has no interest in people like this kid ...but sport found a niche for him

Tim







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05/18/2007, 17:54:01
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>It's an incredible display of athleticism no?<

Even if we take a display of athleticism as a measure of something important then the athleticism stands on its own as important. That the person making the display is by some other measure 'differently abled' is irrelevant and to introduce it is patronising and discriminatory. To label disabled people whenever they have a 'success' and place it in the context of 'the exeptional' is demeaning - in this case try substituting the term African American for autistic and it becomes obvious.

Do we (did we) need Rawat to realise personal potential ? Of course not, in fact I would argue that Rawat and other guru parasites enervate the capacities of those they enthrall.

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Ocker ®

05/18/2007, 16:17:17
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That may be true, though probably not in the case of people who believe such trite cliches on the basis of such poor evidence.

BTW Do you have any of those putdowns on tape or DVD? I'd love to put a collection together on the net to balance off his claims to divinity.






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05/18/2007, 16:57:46
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That may be true, though probably not in the case of people who believe such trite cliches on the basis of such poor evidence.

This kid sank six 3-pointers (18 points) in four minutes and you are calling this poor evidence? Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are saying here.

BTW Do you have any of those putdowns on tape or DVD? I'd love to put a collection together on the net to balance off his claims to divinity.

The putdowns were usually off the record, i.e. asides not official satsang as recorded in And It Is Divine. I remember him ridiculing initiators in a program in Miami and thinking to myself that he was most ungrateful.  I remember him putting down Guru Charanand's singing, his cook, and premies in general for not spreading Knowledge.

It was never his fault.







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ocker ®

05/18/2007, 19:53:09
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Yes, it is good evidence that that individual had far more ability to shoot basketballs than the crowd expected but as he is autistic he is one of those people who might obsessively practice doing just such a thing and without watching the video I'm pretty sure he wasn't blocked quite as much as he might have been but that is immaterial anyway.

Taking one very unusual though rather heart warming specific life event as evidence that every human being has the potential to do some very difficult or unusual feat is the very sort of poor logic that got you/us to try out Rawat's ridiculous claim to be able to reveal God/Inner peace.

Please feel free to inform me when you unleash your incredible potential and that request is only partly ironic.

Haven't we had some sort of similar interaction before, your wide eyed enthusiasm and my ironic skepticism?






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Steve ®

05/18/2007, 22:26:26
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Haven't we had some sort of similar interaction before, your wide eyed enthusiasm and my ironic skepticism?

Well, I wouldn't precisely describe it that way.







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