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Can't be the cult Susan. I have seen myself scorn people who do know what to wear, who think it matters what's in and what's out. I wouldn't even pick up a Vanity Fair - the title is off-putting enough.
And yet we were in the same cult, teen years and all.
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maybe I was around the wrong people in the cult... or maybe...gulp...its just me!
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Nah ...don't buy it Susan. Always been a scruff ..pre-premie, premie and ex-premie. Can't remember what I 'm wearing today unless I look. Happy to sit at the back .. no ambition to move onto advanced grade premie ...always a bit wary of 'them'. And I joined Rawat's club pretty young too ..16-17 (well young but clearly not pretty). Some things really are inherent ...Vanity Fair? . ..now I will get flamed for this but I just think it is XX chromosome-linked  somewhat dingily and unfashionably Tim
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I went through a period of just loving the magazine. But I've let my subscription lapse. Partly because, well, see for me it's different. I look in the mirror and see VF. All the people around me look VF. I live in a world of LV, Prada and what have you. So it is a bit old hat. Plus, the articles are a bit too substantial at times which just attracts the hoi polloi ... But, Susan, come on, you're married to a wonderful, successful sturgeon, aren't you? And, when you were working you weren't no slouch either. You guys scrape the stratosphere anywhere outside Park Avenue or Palm Beach. Come visit! 
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Jim, seriously we don't run in VF's orbit. Next time swing by town you'll see. Yes, I got hooked on the magazine, in all seriousness, renting a vacation home in Stinson Beach......it had such great true crime articles and analysis that is just up my gossip mixed with politics light alley. Like People Magazine but better research, in depth and researched. My husband begs me to stop subscribing it disgusts him...but I always find some kernel of something fascinating in it. Last time...oooh you guys will hate me, it was Reagan's diaries. It's very liberal, but Ron and Nancy were Hollywood royalty so I suppose they get a buy. I also really liked a 911 article from the air traffic controller perspective. And you can count on Dominick Dunne for something interesting. But the jet setters and Prada and ads disturb me, the stories of the parties disturb me, and in a way that even though I don't WANT to be like them. I know also, I never could be or could have been. I do like my sturgeon!
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I admire you for your devotion and loyalty to scruff!
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whenever I'm staying at my sister's who buys them but I didn't even know it was a fashion magazine. I just look at the pictures of Hollywood movie stars and read the Dominick Dunne and Christopher Hitchen's articles and I really went off it once they dropped the Dame Edna column just because she scorned some of the servant classes.
Actually I could never understand how all those anti-materialist hippie premies would go gaga trying to explain Rawat's pathetic taste and materialism as something that wasn't just plain ridiculous.Â
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Actually I could never understand how all those anti-materialist hippie premies would go gaga trying to explain Rawat's pathetic taste and materialism as something that wasn't just plain ridiculous.Â
That was my initial point, but it turned into self flaggelation for my not being too sure the goal wasn't to imitate him...after all..the initiators tried to. I said above even though my point really wasn't a vote of VF that I consistantly find something worth reading in it...just as you said. They get good writers. Gosh they scooped outing Deep Throat.
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Right, we've got the VF thing over with but really you've got to see someone about feeling like shit when you go to a concert and don't sit close. Of course that could take years of depth psychology so how about you just don't go to a concert unless you've got a front row ticket. Seems like a really simple solution.
And then how about hiring a stylist and then you won't worry about what to wear: problem solved (as a surgeon's wife money shouldn't be a problem but you could always just get fashion advice from a stylish lady friend or gay pal if you can't afford the stylist).
And finally you're concerned about scorning people (silently thank God as doing it vocally is so outre these days) who are fashion victims. No problemo, now that you are stylish thanks to your stylist or stylish friend's advice, you need only hang out with other stylish people. As for any friends who cannot keep up, drop them. Surely you learnt that from those Malibu premies, didn't you?
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I don't go if I don't have a great ticket. I don't have the money people think...we just spend it on trips...REALLY. I don't want to scorn people. I hate VF or Malibu mentality and I want to be the started scruffy, was always scruffy, and am proudly scruffy. I don't want this mentality. But I think you know that. I just wonder if I had not been exposed to social climbing premies when I was if I might be different. Or...maybe the first social climber I met ( certainly premies have no monopoly on it ) would have had a great impact on my psyche.
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so try climbing cliffs and trees and then maybe your genetic need to climb will be satisfied!
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You know the scientist who did the "imprinting" studies? The first thing the baby duck sees is MOMMY and that can be a cat, dog or PhD...and it thinks it is that species and follows it around. Well, I imprinted on a certain social climbing premie RHP. He was my idol of the perfect premie. Now if I had not been a premie, maybe I would have imprinted on Sir Edmund Hillery?
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You know the scientist who did the "imprinting" studies? The first thing the baby duck sees is MOMMY and that can be a cat, dog or PhD...and it thinks it is that species and follows it around. Well, I imprinted on a certain social climbing premie RHP. He was my idol of the perfect premie. Now if I had not been a premie, maybe I would have imprinted on Sir Edmund Hillery?
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There's nothing wrong in liking to have nice things or to get the best seat in an auditorium at a concert, play, etc. Maharaji's the big example of materialism in excess. When I got to DECA it amazed me to discover this (and how easily premies excused it), as well as how much the Malibu premies loved their top shelf things like expensive clothing, including the ashram premies. Always wondered where they got the money to blow on those things, clothing, make-up, perfume, jewelry etc. Us lowly DECA ashram premies got ten bucks a week as an allowance (if that!) and none of us were being paid for our employment. That's $520.00 US per year for full-time employment, with no benefits, OSHA insurance for our protection, no time off except for festivals, which we actually worked through, and "full-time" meant working every day-- and those were not 40 hour work weeks!!! 
Modified by Cynthia at Sat, May 19, 2007, 10:53:18
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