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All you need to know about health
17 May 2007
Hawke's Bay Today
Copyright 2007 APN New Zealand Ltd - Regionals. All Rights Reserved
| This weekend's Healthy Living Expo is set to provide visitors with up-to-date information, products, diagnostic and healing techniques, clairvoyant readings and more, organiser Helen Charters says. ``We are delighted to welcome local and visiting practitioners from Auckland, Wellington, and Taupo, to share their products and services - all designed for the well- being of body, mind, heart and spirit.'' Healing modalities and products include immune system boosters, an aerobic massage machine, reflexology, facials, homeopathy, holistic iridology, healing consultations, an organic skin care range, and health- promoting cleaning methods. Experts will be on hand to share the teachings of world teacher Maitreya, Mary Baker Eddy, and Prem Rawat. ``There is plenty of choice for people wanting readings including psychic readings, tarot, numerology, and various card readings. Aura photographs are always popular, and there will be masses of imported crystals and feng shui ornaments, too.'' The expo, in the Taradale Town Hall, runs from 10am-5pm, on Saturday and Sunday.
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A bullet well dodged by that young person. I'm glad to hear s/he had a concerned adult to turn to. Many young people, like myself who never did, and ended up spending 20 years stuck in that personality cult. I've been doing Google and blog searches for a long time, and it never ceases to amaze me how many premies, who supposedly have found the Knowledge of all knowledges, and their Teacher of all teachers, Prem Rawat, still engage in the most woo-woo New Age wacko stuff, like psychic readings. I thought I'd heard it all by now. I remember Maharaji long ago screaming at premies not to get into trips. Yet, here we are, in 2007, and the few remaining premies are into bullsh*t like psychic readings to do propagation. But, of course, any premie would say it's not Maharaji's fault! I trust that you told that concerned adult that indeed, members of Prem Rawat's cult do focus on the recruitment of young people, who can be the most naive and vulnerable people in society. Premies use universities, libraries, colleges, fake social-parties, pubs, country fairs, and the like to deceptively attract youth to that insidious cult.
Modified by Cynthia at Thu, May 17, 2007, 10:23:09
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Way back in the 70s, there was a propagation plan to do a "survey" on "meditation" that was really just a ruse to get people to come to an intro event about Rawat. There wasn't even the pretense of actually compiling the information from the survey; it was just a ruse. Recently, in San Francisco, I think there was something called a "Green Fair" or maybe a "Health Fair" and the Rawat cult had a booth of some sort there, with the implication that Rawat has something to do with "health" or the "environment" both are lies, especially the latter, given how environmentally destructive Rawat and his lavish lifestyle are. But I have to admit, doing psychic readings as a form of propagation is a new one. It reminds me of the Moonies who invite people to a dinner and don't tell them that it's about Moon and his cult, and they don't even admit they are followers of Moon. It seems premies are kind of doing the same, not that they are having much success.
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It reminds me of the Moonies who invite people to a dinner and don't tell them that it's about Moon and his cult, and they don't even admit they are followers of Moon. It seems premies are kind of doing the same, not that they are having much success. Currently, premies are having such dinner parties and have been doing so for a while now. Young premies sometimes hold "pub-parties" and invite people they may know as acquaintances, but don't tell them that the only other people in attendance will be other Rawat followers, and their uninformed acquaintances. They think it's a cool way to introduce to Rawat without saying so. This is the kind of ethics that comes from the top down. Always has been that way, and it's sickening.
Modified by Cynthia at Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:26:27
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Typical in cults ..........
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It reminds me of the Moonies who invite people to a dinner and don't
tell them that it's about Moon and his cult, and they don't even admit
they are followers of Moon. It seems premies are kind of doing the
same, not that they are having much success.
I disagree. The fact that many have left the cult doesn't mean that rawat stopped making money. Imagine this is GOING AROUND THE GLOBE, all the premies are doing it, little busy bees, and the boss collects. He sells his stuff. Look what he calls success; he calls himself a "succesful businnes man", and he is that. Just a business.
Premies do not succeed bringing many in, but bring enough attention to some people who eventually, at least for a while buy the DVDs, books, whatever. Rawat benefits in many ways, for one, he can justify his non-profit status. Smoking mirrors. Does rawat cares if anybody benefits or not, if what he teaches drives people nuts or if he causes confusion and pushes people to suicide? Not at all. He doesn't even care about his health. He is about power, sex, booze and money. He is "succesful".
Because Joe, for many years we keep saying that is a dying cult but he is still in bussiness. So, lets don't fool ourselves. The whole world is synchronized doing all kind of stuff to atract people and who they really want? Those who are bored and can spent, having the means, spent and rawat keeps laughing all the way to the swiss banks. oops. He is a horrible greedy, ugly, unhappy, pitiful, abusive guy, but stupid he is not. He wants money and he has many around him willing to create ideas and act upon them to help him get his money. He is successful.
Don't you know that in Florida there was a group of premies who were topless dancers in the 80s, who did that for a living to follow Rawat around the world and to help propagation? I was shocked when this girl, Anna, told me she was a dancer and mentioned that to me. What?? This girl came to the USA and began to strip? Nothing amazes me about what Rawat generates or degenerates.
Modified by Axis at Fri, May 18, 2007, 01:40:58
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... for many years we keep saying that is a dying cult but he is still in bussiness. So, lets don't fool ourselves. Quite right.  Mila
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I quess it goes to show, in a way, that it's easier to raise money than it is to raise consciousness. The world is full of ways to get rich quick. Some work, some don't.
Nothing to do with content or quality. And no connection to virtue or enlightenment. You can 'make it' materially if you can just get enough people to part with a buck.
Bereft of any actual valuable contribution to human knowledge, understanding or virtue worth emulating, he still has all the options open to any organization with charity status. It is their poor taste in general (being diverted from main stream society) that makes it look more and more like increasingly silly scams.
What exactly he thinks he has contributed to the particular subject of yoga and meditation or the pursuit of self realization I can't imagine. He has discredited the whole genre. Yet claims greater expertise than all other bona fide teachers in his home land, claiming to be able to apply yoga successfully to heal the political situation of the world.
I suppose, that he has made us extra aware of the flaws within all such organizations and sounded an alarm to the dangers of all cult phenomena. He has successfully made atheists of many and shown graphically how cults and religious sects and offshoots form from within their own desire for belief to become fact.
He has especially demonstrated how a personality becomes the embodiment of the drive within such cults which eventually diverts sections of human energy into ox-bow lakes of human development, in the guise of offering 'enlightenment' products.
What is on sale is the life time experience of being a personality worshipper, who's moments of ecstatic mass adoration and darshan are all the 'enlightenment' on offer.
Not enough to warrant the loss of actual self realization, normally attained by living life.
Best wishes,
Lp
Modified by Lp at Fri, May 18, 2007, 08:58:51
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'He has successfully made
atheists of many and shown graphically how cults and religious sects
and offshoots form from within their own desire for belief to become
fact.'
Nice to hear from you again LP - you were quiet for a while there.
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' been a bit under the weather..
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me too - it's all that birch pollen. Hence I am at my machine, trying to amuse myself.
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Here's a pretty bird to cheer you up. He's been at my birdfeeder this week. Indigo Bunting 
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What a colour! Our buntings are a dull brown.
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That was my only point. Yes, it is easier to wring money out of existing devotees than to get new devotees. My point was that he is getting very few new devotees. At least I have seen no evidence to the contrary. He obviously is still bringing in money.
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Unfortunately I do not feel able to make a public stand in this matter,
as my duty is to protect the individual who has been the subject of
this unwanted approach from suffering any further attention from what
appears to be a very unsavoury group.
Nevertheless, your correspondent might feel inclined to write to the Charity Commission, stating the facts, voicing his concerns, & requesting a clarification of the reasons why Elan Vital UK continues to be registered as an Educational Charity.
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spreading all over, growing and growing.
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... he adapts to survive.
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"Success" can be measured in many ways but I believe Rawat's adaptions have had little or no effect on his survival and have certainly not increased his success.
The overwhelming number of his followers were gained in the 70's by premies and not by him. He stopped the premies outwardly propagating in the early 80's and since then new followers have been few and far between though this might have happened anyway as they ran out of youthful enthusiasm.
Did cutting out his public divinity claims have any effect? I doubt it as, after all, no-one was listening anyway. Rawat was up and dancing as Krishna in front of 10 or 20,000 people and and shouting out that he should be worshipped and videos showing this were being shown nightly in small halls around the world and no public interest developed.
Being pretty insecure and even paranoid he decided to keep these things secret from then on and ordered the evidence destroyed but really no-one out in the big world gave a shit.
Recently I chatted with the non-premie daughter of a premie and she said something like "Wow those people in Ipswich must have noticed a difference when all those premies moved there." She had this impression by hearing premies gossiping amongst themselves. But there are over a 100,000 people in Ipswich and less than a 100 premies, Rawat and the premies are insignificant except in their own minds and hopes.
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>Being pretty insecure and even paranoid he decided to keep these things secret ..< That is certainly true, but I wouldn't discount the influence of the wealthy and public perception aware followers who have been at the core of the Rawat movement since at least the early 80s. I'd say that concerns about share holder confidence and social acceptability on the part of the upper strata of the 'major donors' have been as much a driving force in the public presentation of Rawatism, as have Rawat's psychological foibles. Re: Ipswich. Isn't the significance of premies simply that Amaroo has had a degree of administrative and political acceptance because it supposedly offered an influx of tourist dollars ? N
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I'm not sure what degree of administrative and political acceptance Amaroo has. After all, this is Australia, where tolerance abounds on our sun-burned plains. And quite rightly, too.
Have you been to Amaroo? I'm pretty sure the proprietors of the supermarket up the road and any other small business operator in the area couldn't give a f__k what those people do up there in the guru place and how weird their guru is if they keep buying stuff when passing through and after all, they're harmless.
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