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02/20/2007, 23:40:23
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Andrea Cagan has so far revealed two things to me and taken quite a load off my mind. It really is "Charananand" not "Charnanand" even though it has metamorphosed into two words: Charan Anand.

And she has revealed just how Prem got the nod to be God. The slimy little toad was up to something on the 31st July, 1966 when he said "If you think that Guru Maharaj Ji is gone, your mind is confused. Otherwise,
how could I have talked to him? Tomorrow I will show you what power I have
brought to this world with me. Just as Prahlad manifested God by the power of
meditation I will also manifest Guru Maharaj Ji before you by the power of
meditation." see http://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/gmjishere.html

Surely someone in the crowd thought: the little bugger's gone mad, talking into the night with his dead father but then maybe he woke up after all the ice had melted from around the dead body of Hans the Ice Man. I've got to say that if my mother (bless her soul) had packed my dead Dad in ice thinking he might be resurrected but not wanting him to rot during the waiting period (see page 80, Peace Is Possible) I would keep that quiet even if I was wanting to assassinate her character on every other page of the book as Prem obviously wants to do. Shit, he'll be on Oprah soon, it'll be the "Lords of the Universe whose mummies didn't love them tell all" show. "Yes Oprah, my mummy was a Hindu, Oh, I'm so ashamed. She'd rather throw a few coins into a temple than give me the pocket money to buy another jet plane, oh the pain, the pain. She worshipped gods not me, the Real One and Only God."

Anyway as it turned out Prem proved he was the incarnation of God by dancing like his dear departed Dad only without the grace, style and rhythm and bliss. I'm assuming Frozen Hans could bop it up when he was at 98 degrees but then maybe he was as terrible a dancer as his youngest son. I can hear the smart-arses in the crowd that night going "Shit, another f__king Satguru who can't dance. What are those Westerners going to think of us? We might as well have Bhole Ji as the Perfect Master."

Anyway, here is Andrea's deathless prose describing that night:

"Here was Shri Maharaji himself, they decided, dancing before their eyes,
with the same radiant grace, glorious smile, and shining eyes.

What really occurred that evening remains a mystery, something that words
cannot describe. People say it was as if father and son were one and the same in
front of them, as if time and death had been suspended for a moment and life was
manifesting in an eternal moment of glory.
"

Looks like the Bulwer-Lytton prize has found it's 2007 winner in the non-fiction section. Wait a minute, the book is fiction, isn't it?


By the way, I've heard that Bhole Ji made it big in Bollywood musicals, has anyone heard that rumour?








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Shri Hans was "packed in ice?"
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WTF?  Can you explain?






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Well of course I can explain but I would just be repeating PIP. So I'll post the appropriate chapter of PIP instead and the paragraph:

Maharaji recalls crying for several days without
stopping. He loved his father/master more than he could possibly say, and the
loss was deep
and substantial. At the
same time, his mother was beside herself, lamenting, “Why didn’t he give any
indication? He wasn’t even sick!” She ordered Shri Maharaji’s body to be packed
in ice, a customary practice in the heat of
India to preserve a body until the cremation. However, the
truth was, she believed that maybe her husband was not really dead, but rather
was in a deep meditation and eventually could be revived. Was
it denial or her
belief in the extraordinary powers of the man she had married? No one can say
for sure, since shock and grief can cause people to think and act in unusual
ways.

Andrea loves the "No one can say" and "What really occurred" even though all she had to do was ask Rawat ...


The Succession

 

 

 

Bihari
Singh debated with himself all the way to
St. Joseph’s. The night before, he had returned Shri Maharaji’s
body to Dehradun. This morning, he was filled with grief and disbelief, and
it was difficult
to make a decision. Should he tell Sant Ji and his brother Raja Ji the real
reason he was picking them up from school early? Or should he just drive them
home and let them see for themselves?

When Bihari appeared at the door of Raja Ji’s classroom,
his face told a painful story. He whispered something in the monk’s ear, who
then waved Raja Ji from the room. Together, Bihari and Raja Ji walked down the
hallway to collect Sant Ji.

“Why did you come to take us out of class?” Raja Ji asked
Bihari. “I thought you and my father were away on tour. Is Shri Maharaji home?
Does he want to see me? Did he come back early?”

“He is back,” Bihari Singh said.

Sant Ji was allowed to leave his fourth-grade
classroom, and the three of them drove in silence to the residence. The boys
had no idea what had happened or why Bihari was crying. But they knew something
was wrong the moment they got out of the car, as everybody was milling around
outside, crying and speaking in hushed voices.

Sant
Ji went directly to his father’s room. There sat Shri Ma­haraji in eternal
meditation, his. eyes closed. Sant Ji approached his father’s motionless body,
touched his feet, spent a few mo­ments in silence, and walked outside. “I
wanted to feel him one last time,” says Maharaji. “And I was filled up. It was
a beautiful experience, and yet
it was terrible, too. Like it was the end of the world.
Afterwards, I realized that something had just sprouted within me, that the
beautiful fountain was really within me. The world had ended, but
it had also
begun, and everything was different.”

Maharaji recalls crying for several days without
stopping. He loved his father/master more than he could possibly say, and the
loss was deep
and substantial. At the
same time, his mother was beside herself, lamenting, “Why didn’t he give any
indication? He wasn’t even sick!” She ordered Shri Maharaji’s body to be packed
in ice, a customary practice in the heat of
India to preserve a body until the cremation. However, the
truth was, she believed that maybe her husband was not really dead, but rather
was in a deep meditation and eventually could be revived. Was
it denial or her
belief in the extraordinary powers of the man she had married? No one can say
for sure, since shock and grief can cause people to think and act in unusual
ways.

Early the next morning, Shri Maharaji’s body was
placed in the top section of a van and driven to Prem Nagar, his final destination.
Word had traveled quickly that Shri Maharaji had died and would be cremated at
Prem Nagar. Hundreds of stunned and grief-stricken students were hurrying there
to pay their last respects. When they arrived, they began searching for
fragrant sandalwood (not readily available in stores) on which to cremate the
master’s body. In the twenty-four hours from the arrival of Shri Maharaji’s
body to Dehradun to his cremation the next morning in Haridwar, people managed
to collect forty pounds of sandalwood by gathering a little bit here and there.

On
the day of the cremation, Sant Ji stayed home with his mother. In Indian
tradition, those present at the cremation poured coconut oil and ghee (clarified
butter) over the pyre just before they set
it
on fire. As Shri Maharaji’s body burned
and smoke rose to the heavens, his students had various reactions—from sobbing
and covering their eyes to feeling a beautiful peace.

 

According to Hindu custom, a mourning period of
thirteen days was prescribed, during which time the male family members shaved
their heads. On the thirteenth day, the mourning would end. There was a general
anticipation among the mourners be­cause they hoped that when the mourning was
over,
it would be clear who the new master would be.

As the days passed, more and more people arrived at
Prem Nagar full of anticipation. Shri Maharaji’s students needed some­one to
take his place, someone who could guide them and inspire them, but there were
no preset rules as to how the next master should emerge. Shri Maharaji’s
master, Swami Swarupanand, had not left behind written instructions, which had
led to the various opinions and ensuing confusion as to who should succeed him.
Shri Maharaji
did succeed him in
the eyes of a few, but because the others were not clear that he
truly was the one, he had to start his work from scratch.
And just like his master before him, Shri Maharaji had left no written
instructions before he died.

“When my father was about to die,” says Maharaji, “he
did not sit down and write a will. He did not dictate to somebody what should
happen next. He did not call anybody into his room and tell them, ‘Ah, you
should do this, and we should be doing this, and I wish I could do this.’ He
simply went into a room, sat down, and practiced Knowledge.”

 

When Shri Maharaji died, Sampurnanand, like Charan Anand and other
traveling mahatmas, was on tour, returning only after the cremation was
finished. He was bereft when he learned that Shri Maharaji was gone, and he was
crying in the backyard of the residence when he saw Sant Ji.

“Why are you crying?” the young boy asked.

Sampurnanand
was so devastated, he could not answer.

 

Sant Ji soothed him. “What are you worried about?” he
asked. “Do you think Shri Maharaji has gone? You don’t have to worry about anything.
Knowledge is my responsibility now, and I know how to spread
it. You will
never see me
not being able to do
that. I’ll take care of
it.”

When Sampurnanand heard the boy speaking with such
confi­dence and faith, he was taken aback. He recognized the new Guru Maharaji
speaking. In fact, he felt certain of
it, as he remembered the subtle hints from Shri Maharaji
about his youngest son be­ing the next master. When Sant Ji later took Sampu
into a room, together with Charan Anand, Bihari, and others, and talked tear­fully
about times and places where he would be going on tours to continue his
father’s work,
it was clear to those gathered that Sant Ji, despite his
young age, was the one.

The family and the senior members of the organization,
how­ever, did not feel that Sant Ji could succeed his father. They seemed to
have forgotten Shri Maharaji indicating that his youngest son would be the one
to someday carry his message. Or perhaps they held too many entrenched ideas
that didn’t allow them to accept this possibility.

On the eve of July 30,
the twelfth day of the thirteen-day
mourning period, people gathered in the large meeting hall at Prem Nagar.
Sorrow and grief hung heavy in the air, and no one stepped onstage to speak
because no one knew what to say. Instead, in a back room, Mataji and her eldest
son, Bal Bhagwan Ji, were meeting with senior instructors and organizers,
trying to decide who would succeed Shri Maharaji.

Charan
Anand and Sampurnanand were purposely not in­cluded in the meeting, even though
they had been prominent in Shri Maharaji’s work. Charan Anand was probably seen
as too uneducated, and Sampu was, as usual, taking care of Sant Ji, who was
riding on his shoulders, commanding him to go here and there. When Sampu and
Sant Ji approached the room where the succession discussions were going on,
Sant Ji told Sampu to open the door. But when he did, Sant Ji’s family stopped
talking immediately.

Mataji had been pushing her favorite instructor, the
organiza­tion’s treasurer, to advocate her case. “Mataji is the one to lead us
now,” he had said, but that
did not meet
with general approval. A woman as master? That would be much too controversial.
Even though Shri Maharaji had appointed as many women instruc­tors as men, he
had received his share of criticism for this, both from traditional religious
groups and from Arya Samaj. The idea simply
did not fly.

The people in the room were behaving as if the
master’s fam­ily or the organization that had supported him owned his work, as
if the master’s title, like some deed of trust, could be passed on through
administrative criteria such as precedence and seniority. But soon enough, they
would be reminded that the master’s ways defied worldly logic and
predictability.

Out in the great hail, thousands were waiting in
anxious anticipation, feeling the profound contrast to what usually hap­pened
there. Whenever Shri Maharaji had spoken there, the hail had been filled with
inspiration
and devotional singing. Now,
many people were crying openly, and others talked in hushed voices.

Behind the stage, Sampu took Sant Ji to a little
window where he could watch the crowd, unseen. By this time, one of the organiz­ers
in the back room had named fourteen-year-old Bal Bhagwan Ji as successor, and
Mataji was beginning to accept that outcome. But in the meantime, when Sant Ji
saw the people’s sadness
and sensed the
huge void, a desire to comfort them overcame him.

And so, while his mother, his eldest brother, and all
the “im­portant” people huddled in the meeting room behind closed doors,
arguing and planning the organization’s future, Sant Ji walked out onto the
stage and sat in his father’s chair. Behind him was a large picture of Shri
Maharaji looking straight ahead with eternal serenity, decorated with flowers.

Sant Ji sat for a little while with his eyes closed
while the audience quieted down “In that one moment of my life,” he recalls,
“everything changed The only thing I could do was close my eyes and listen to
the words of my teacher, my father And believe me, his words echoed and echoed
as if he was standing on that platform telling me exactly what to do. There are
rationales I could have gotten into, but I didn’t give myself a chance. I went
for
it. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that my destiny was changed in
that moment. Absolutely.”

“Don’t cry,” were his first words to the thousands of
mourn­ers. “You don’t have to cry. That which you loved about Shri Maharaji
will always be with you. Nobody can take that away from you.”

Silence filled the hall as Sant Ji continued. “I ~el
that Guru Maharaji is here. After all, what is in me? I h(ave only flesh,
nerves, blood, and bones.
And I do not
have anything more. But I have got the same soul. The same Guru Maharaji is within
me. He is within you, too. He is within everybody. We must under­stand that
it is Guru
Maharaji himself speaking right now.”

Sant Ji pointed to the photograph of his father and
said, “You are looking for him in the picture, but look in your own hearts, and
then you will understand.” People were crying again, but their tears of sorrow
had become tears of relief. When Sant Ji finished speaking, people filed slowly
out of the hail, feeling that a seed of hope had been sown.

 

The next morning, on July 31, 1966,
people gathered early in the great hail. Sampu, as usual, was carrying Sant Ji
around on his shoulders The family remained stubborn Even after they heard
about Sant Ji’s appearance onstage and how the people had re­acted, they were
still involved in discussions about the future

As
the large meeting hail filled up, Mataji asked Charan Anand to say something
comforting. But when the PA system failed, Charan Anand passed the job to
Sampu, whose powerful voice could reach the back of the audience. Sampurnanand
asked the people why they were so impatient. Hadn’t they heard what Sant Ji had
said the night before? Mataji was not happy with his words, but she couldn’t or
wouldn’t stop her youngest son from stepping on the stage next.

Suddenly the PA system began working, and Sant Ji
said, “Look, good people. This is not an occasion for celebrations, be­cause at
three in the morning of the nineteenth, Guru Maharaji left his mortal body. But
I feel that Guru Maharaji is still here and always will be Guru Maharaji is not
here anymore in his old body. However, I shall explain everything to you. A
guru is never born and never dies Guru Maharaji is and always will be present.”

People started to shout, “Bolie Shri Satgurudev
Maharaj Ki Jai” This meant “Glory to the master!” and was a greeting of
ju­bilation
called out in the presence of Shri Maharaji. Others picked
it up, but some
started talking amongst themselves or shouting remarks until Sant Ji said
sternly, “Listen. You must open your ears and listen If you don’t listen, then
I will have nothing to do with you.”

The hall fell silent again “When Guru Maharaji was
here,” Sant Ji said, “what did he do? He gave Knowledge to everyone, and he
gave of himself as if
it would never end. Everyone kept taking from that
endless treasure, and now he has passed so much power over to me. He told me to
do his work, and Guru Maharaji is in front of us. He is within my heart and
everywhere.”

In
the back room, senior officers of the organization were preparing to come out
and announce Bal Bhagwan Ji as the next master—until somebody burst into the
room and told them what was happening. They rushed out just in time to see
Charan Anand putting the tilak on Sant Ji’s forehead while Mataji looked on in
surprise. Thousands were shouting for little Sant Ji, his shaven head covered
by a piece of white cloth as he sat in the master’s chair while Sampurnanand,
Charan Anand, Bihari, Gyan Baira­ganand, and several others improvised a
ceremony to crown him. After Bihari put a crown on Sant Ji’s head, never again
would the students call him Sant Ii. For them, he was now Guru Maharaji.

When Mataji and Maharaji’s brothers touched his feet
as a sign of respect, he garlanded each member of his family, including Older
Mataji and Didiji. But while most of the audience were ec­static, some were still
not yet convinced. Maharaji told everyone that the next day he would show them
proof that “Guru Maharaji never dies.”

The next morning, on the first of August, in front of
a full hail, Maharaji told the attendees, “When I was in Dehradun, I was asleep
in bed, and I felt that a man was there. I touched him with my hand and saw
that
it was Shri Maharaji. We spoke to each other for a long time. Guru
Maharaji is right here; he is not gone. If you want me to prove
it, I shall prove
it to
you. Tonight, you shall see Maharaji right before you.”

That night, eight-year-old Maharaji stood up and began
to dance and play the
manjeeras, the small cymbals that his father used to play. Within
a few minutes, the people in the hall wit­nessed the same radiance they had
seen and felt in Shri Maharaji. Here was Shri Maharaji himself, they decided,
dancing before their eyes, with the same radiant grace, glorious smile, and
shin­ing eyes.

What
really occurred that evening remains a mystery, some­thing that words cannot
describe. People say
it was as if father
and son were one and the same in front of them, as if time and death had been
suspended for a moment and life was manifest­ing in an eternal moment of glory.
When the dance was done, the new master asked his eldest brother to come
onstage and speak, telling the people that he had been looking forward to
listening to Bal Bhagwan Ji with much anticipation. Did Maharaji know what they
had plotted behind closed doors? Did he know when he had been crowned that some
had already chosen his eldest brother as master? It was likely that Maharaji,
in his innocence, was unaware of this until several years later when his eldest
brother and mother turned against him and embarked upon an organized effort to
harm his reputation and push him aside.








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Didn't PremDad slip on a bar of soap or something?






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I don't know anything about that (though I've seen it posted  somewhere) but if he's packed in ice then surely the plot is melting, not thickening.






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No post mortem so no definitive cause of death. The story that Hans collapsed in the shower is probably correct, whether he slipped or fainted, banging his head, or whether he suffered a stroke (more likely) we will never know - the important thing is he was just an ordinary human who died a very ordinary death.

End of story.

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I thought he left his body in perfect peace??
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At least that's what the movie Satguru used to say!! I am shocked, yes shocked to hear that lying has been going on!






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"Here was Shri Maharaji himself, they decided, dancing before their eyes,
with the same radiant grace, glorious smile, and shining eyes.

What really occurred that evening remains a mystery, something that words
cannot describe. People say it was as if father and son were one and the same in
front of them, as if time and death had been suspended for a moment and life was
manifesting in an eternal moment of glory.
"

Good God, I'm going to lose my lunch.  Choke.  Gag.  Puke.  Does Cagan actually expect anyone to believe this?  Who really wrote this crap?  All the excerpts I have read are straight out of EV and other prembo groups.  Is this one of the books she only puts her name on, but that was really written by somebody else?  It sure looks like it. 







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Re: The Mystery of the Authorship Revealed
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It looks very much like she was given the book's outline and information and she just wrote the words so to speak. There is not a single reference to any newspaper article, book, academic paper or even an internet site. Everything is straight from the premies' mouths but presumably already in computer files. She might have at least bothered to ring Rawat.






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None of This Can be Trusted
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Well maybe some of it but PIP is a snapshot of what Elan Vital wants
believed now. The story has changed in the past and it might change
again. One thing I couldn't help but notice is that if the succession
was undecided until the last dance how is it that there was a Satguru's
crown already ready on the night of the 31st July in the right size for
Rawat's head? And how is it that Charan Anand, a lowly carpenter /
mahatma and young at the time gets to do the tilak deed?

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Andries,

Don't you recognise the Perfect Master of his time? Shame! Note the feet, it looks like Shri Hans could dance but then he's not weighed down by too much fat.


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Well that proves it then. They stand the same way. (In addition to having similar taste in hats, which could be adjustable at the back?.)





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did you ever notice
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how rawat used to bite his lower lip, just like his dad did.

Must be the same one!!







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The proof would be
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 Which thumb they cross over which: left or right, when they put their hands together.






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Rawat has a hooka every morning as his dad did (according to Ron geaves)






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Are you saying that Ron Geaves said Hans Rawat had a hookah every morning or that Prem Rawat does?






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Ron Geaves told me that hans smoked a hooka every morning. he also told me stories of prem smoking 'bung'.






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I know people who haven't spent a straight day in 30 years but I'm not going to go to them for spiritual knowledge. What sort of inner peace and bliss needs daily "bhang" inputs? So all those 70's premies who were talking about "Knowledge being better than LSD and dope" were wrong? Of course not, they were right.  Being a  sincere young person in a new millenial, perfectionist cult that has daily meditation and nightly church was much more fun than smoking dope and probably still is if there are any similar cults going on.

What a loser Rawat was. There we were blissed out of our minds on a nightly basis, straight and healthy on our vegetarian diets, in a large extended family having the time of our lives and the little fat creep is getting drunk and stoned to ease his fears. All he had to do was go to satsang and sit on the floor with everyone else and he'd be blissed out. Is there a word for a situation like that?



On the other hand, how would Ron Geaves know that? Hans Rawat was long dead before Saph introduced him to the goomradgie.






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Shri Hans - I've really got to stop calling him that - Hans Rawat used to bite his bottom lip?






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Makes me think that Prem Rawat is not going to be here for very long anymore !

That sort of book is usually published when the person is about to die or not re-elected !!

That was my first reaction when I heard about that bio. That doesn't make any sense otherwise to me.








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