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Bryn ®

12/12/2005, 17:26:32
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Just checked in. Hello.

Straight to the point: I met a premie from way back a couple of days ago after a five year gap. I am still digesting the conversation, but it seems we have very different relationships to our past. He said he was cool about my exing, but somehow he wasn't really real- I don't think. I was ready to talk about a host of stuff that I knew we had in common; people, attitudes, discarded selves, ebarrasing incidents, changes,  openly indulgent old times stuff. But he would contribute nothing but just seemed uncomfortable and closed. Hmmm.

I've felt this before. I trace it back to PR and his revisionism. Premies say they are cool about "the way it was" and that it is all different now, and if you want to leave thats perfectly fine. But I think their past actually remains unaddressed-abandoned. I suspect the past is only cool for them because He says it is. It is uncomfortable to feel all this unprocessed past in a person.

 I suppose the root of the problem is that sooner or later PR's personal contribution to our biographies would have to come under conscious scrutiny like everything else in an adult life and dare I say-criticised,compared, laughed at?

What is it that premies have sacrificed their past for? Whats the trade off? It makes normal conversation a very guarded and jerky business.

I like the top line of this forum. Its New Age heresy.

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Bryn







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Mike Finch ®

12/13/2005, 02:57:47
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Hi Bryn

I met a premie from way back a couple of days ago after a five year gap. I am still digesting the conversation, but it seems we have very different relationships to our past. He said he was cool about my exing, but somehow he wasn't really real- I don't think.

I know this reaction well, and saw it in myself in the past.

With most premies, however cool and open they are, and however normally they relate to their situations and interactions, there is nevertheless a layer of PR conditioning in there somewhere that you find sooner or later.  It is like digging in soft earth, and you think 'this is fine' but then you suddenly come across a hard layer of rock.

I think their past actually remains unaddressed-abandoned. I suspect the past is only cool for them because He says it is. It is uncomfortable to feel all this unprocessed past in a person.

My own opinion is that lots of ex-premies have moved on too quickly, and not grieved or processed their past sufficiently.  Of course everyone is different, and you cannot generalise, but if you invested your heart and soul for many years in Maharaji and his work, then just walking away and saying 'ciao' is not enough.

And of course the same is with still current premies, who have had K a long time, having to deal with the current revisionism as you say.  There must be pain, frustration and bewilderment at what is happening now compared to how it was.

I suppose the root of the problem is that sooner or later PR's personal contribution to our biographies would have to come under conscious scrutiny like everything else in an adult life and dare I say-criticised,compared, laughed at?

Yep, that compounds the problem, you cannot just talk about this with anyone - being laughed at is probably the kindest reaction you will get from most other people.

What is it that premies have sacrificed their past for? Whats the trade off?

That's a good question, and being able to answer it, at least to oneself, is the hallmark of moving on, I think - whether a still-current premie living with the new version of things, or an ex-premie trying to come to terms with it all.

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12/13/2005, 15:08:53
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"Well of course you poor exes, you have had  to work through all your "stuff" about religion and gurus,and after five years of your exing pangs you are now just about where I am, and have been all along.  You see I didn't need to do all that 'cos I stayed in touch you see, and maharaji is really beyond all that stuff and always has been as I always knew, so we are all in the same place now really after all arent we and its all cool."

Actually, no. We're not in the same place now at all, and it isn't cool. You feel weird to me!

I reckon your right Mike: if you give your life and soul to a guru, vows, foot kissing, and all, its a major refit job to put it back together.

Joe Cool premies and neutral inspirational Speaker I do not believe in. I can give reasons too, but the average "well adjusted"prem is so thoroughly schooled in slippery language its not worth engaging.

I hope some read here.

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Bryn 







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That's always bugged me too -- from so open to so closed ...
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12/13/2005, 18:32:40
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I hear you, Bryn.  I bet we've all experienced encounters like that.  And I've always found it so irksome, the way these people we'd met on the common ground of being willing to bravely consider the outrageous prospect that there really was something like Knowledge or something like a Guru Maharaj Ji were now so damn uncurious.  It's just plain sad is what it is.

Anyway, thanks for putting up another forum, John and Mike. 






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