Re: Guilt?
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G. ®

09/21/2004, 18:52:10
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Thank you POV for your answer,

I understand your point: he is not a psychologist he is a guru but I did not mean that he should practice psychology but once he claims to be "always in divine consciousness" I understand that anything he does (or does not) is a fruit of this divine consciousness. So why should he hide his private life? I think I would be a good paradigm. Smoking and drinking used to be a part of "divine consciousness" in many respectable religious traditions (like soufism for example)... what never was is lying and hiding... can you understand now what's my point?

About this "looking within" stuff... There are two ways to "look withing" POV. One of them is to deny the world and your relationships (as maya etc.) concentrating to God (what could this God be?) and the other one is to concentrate withing in order to feel your relationships and the world inside going beyond this way the phenomenology and giving real meaning to the world. These are two different things... In other words what Paul said "if one claims that he loves God and he does not love the human next to him he is just a liar". What I 've seen from M. is the triangle (M. K. and the premie, or service-satsang-practice etc.) but I 've not seen the other, the human next to us, our relationships etc. And this is the problem for me...

K. works etc. etc. ok... drugs do the same. They kill you will respond. Ok, lets suppose there was a pill with no side effects that could quench our thirst and made us happy 24hours a day, 7 days a week would you take it POV? Aldous Huxley put this questions at one of his books, he imagined that pilled and named it "soma" (from an ancient relevant potion) and his answer was YES. Well, that's Maharaji's answer and that's your answer I guess since your main argument is that "it works!". Well, my answer is NO. I know what I am thirsty of, real human relationships, that include happiness, pain, sorrow, the knowledge that the other is not eternal as I am not eternal and there is beauty! Not in denying the world but accepting it with all its sorrows and pain.

I could love M. but in order to love someone you have to develop a relationship with him. Maharaji denies this relationship to and with  me... I don't! I ask for a relationship and he says I don't exist as part of this world, these relationships don't even exists they're all in your mind and maya, but you can have a relationship with the role I play, with the supreme being above all this scrap. For me (many might be angry with me here with this point of view) he is thirsty too, he is thirsty to be loved as what he really is and to love also. That's why he needs tobacco and alcoohol as the most of us who try but most times cannot achieve real relationships. That's all...

Wish you all the best with your choice POV, I am thirsty too but I think I know what can quench my thirst. Something that maybe you are looking for also, talking here with people so far from your beliefs...

Best regards,

G.

P.S.: About "keep in reserve, search the world and if you can't find what you are looking for come back and see me" it is such a different thing! Come back desperate, ready to promise you will always practice K. with no excuse since there is nothing else out there that is real... Such a different thing...







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