Hi!  Yes, I remember one program I went to (can't remember exactly where or when but I probably have a record of it in one of my innumerable journals!) where Michael Nouri spoke for a while, and then the Big Honcho himself came on stage and proceeded to trash Michael Nouri's "concepts".  I remember feeling quite shocked at the time, and even a little sorry for Michael.  And VERY glad I was not in his shoes!  But did I think that was wrong?  No, not at that time...all submerged under the general happy premie bliss etc.etc.etc.  What could an ordinary mortal like me possibly know what it was really all about?????  But I'd put that episode on my list of drips now, for sure.  (Don't remember any references to "back to the Rat-Hole", but there was always a feeling that being at the event was the ultimate and everything else a perpetual "groundhog day".  Anyone remember that reference?)

~Shelagh