MB wants a debate - an expression of views or whatever ... this is what I would vote for in the paradoxical plebicite that MB asks for - yes to all the following:

1. debate about how the forum is run is off topic

2. arguing with the moderators is off topic

3. publicly slating other posters is off topic

4. there is no such thing as an ' ex premie' community - or if there is it is not something I belong to nor would wish to belong to.

5. there is no 'membership' to which any forum administrator can be answerable.

6. there can be no change of 'blood' in the running of the this forum - it either runs as is or closes.

7. anyone is free to set up a forum of their choice in competition or compliment to any existing forum.

8. this is becoming very, very boring.

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