Well maybe for some people it is - it is just that you can't really get anywhere trying to have a discussion here.  I don't know about anyone else, but I have a job and kids and a really busy life and just don't have the time to keep trying to defend myself and my feelings.  The only thing I really wanted to respond to was Livia's post, though I would like to have a civil discussion sometime. I have nothing against any of you other than many are rude and  judgemental.  We were all in the same place at one time - we all are evolving out of that place at our own pace and deserve some respect just for the fact we are human beings who have been deeply effected by Maharaji.  So lighten up and let people in. We'll try not to use any cult language.  I have gone thru everyday of my life for years, and was never accused of speaking like I was in a cult.