Hi Livia!  I've just read your comments and the lengthy and heated discussion that follows.  For myself, (who received K in 1981 and was never in an ashram) I feel that I can take responsibility for what I WANTED to understand, see, believe and experience about the whole M and K trip, but NOT for what others (esp M himself) said or did or implied or required or whatever.  He and his instructors and the premies who influenced me will all have to take responsibility for their own part in this whole phenomenon, imo--although whether they ever actually will or not, or are able to or not, is another story.  I know this may not be a popular position for someone who was a premie for 21 years to take, but my recovery from this--as well as from the severe trauma of my childhood--absolutely depends on my being able to detach from blame and be honest about my own agendas, needs, illusions, dependencies, and all of that.  This DOES"NT exonerate M and his flunkies for their behaviours or deceptions.   I just need to let go of all that now, and blame has a way of keeping me entrenched in stuff that I've really finished with.

Just some thoughts on the matter, for what they're worth, from someone who was there too (although NOT, thank heavens, going back as far as the ashram days, as is the case for many of you).

Doing what I can to heal...

Shelagh