I didn't say it was the meditation that made them happy Gerry, please read the post more carefully. I said there "are quite a few people who do experience peace to a greater or lesser extent" and in the next sentence said "If those people have become involved in Elan Vital" therefore showing that I meant there are peaceful, happy people and they "would be happy regardless of their cult affiliation" to use your own words.However there is another, albeit small, group of people who have found their affiliation with Elan Vital has improved their happiness and peace. Why not, there are many people whose happiness is increased if their football team does well and others who worship Satan and find it makes them more peaceful. There is no need to try to paint Rawat world black, it's pretty well the same colours as Gerry world.