This cryptic message is from Joy in answer to my posting of Kabir's view of Masters and money:

The worldling ponders
Here is the definition of what Joy was referring to:

'Worldling:  a person who cares much for the interests and pleasures of this world.'

Hey, Joy, I have been where you are now.  I have been a devoted and dedicated premie trying to defend a plethora of indefenseable positions in which Prem Rawat has put himself and in which his personal representatives who are answerable only to him have put themselves.  I understand that you cannot just speak from the heart right now without going through a major paradigm shift, and that for now you must hide behind quotes and cryptic sayings.  If you use your own voice and try to talk plain English, you won't have anything to say that will justify your position.  It is very difficult to accept that you have been confronted with information from warm blooded human beings like yourself which does not speak kindly but does speak truthfully of your teacher.  Peace can be attained without having to deal with all the things that fill the archives here.  You know it inside.  You do.  

You will