It'll be too long, too short, wrong place, wrong mahatma--you'll find an excuse for the standard cultist response of "See, you didn't do it right." I'm not playing. There are people here who struggled for thirty years to do it right and before realising how futile it was.

I was in an ashram living among premies and that's all you need to know.

Incidently, I wonder how many premies today are not doing it right by your criteria. I'm guessing you think rather a lot of them lack your "realistic" post-fantasy viewpoint. Yes, I suspect we're dealing with an elitist. Care to deny that and tell us you think the majority of premies have "got it right"?

Neville B