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06/03/2017, 19:30:57
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I'm very glad you mention this OTS.  It has washed away my worry about you after first seeing that clip sometime around 2005 after knowing you for so many years.  

It's made me delve back contemplating the degree and quality of devotion and allegiance I was prompted to reach to, carry, and develop for all my adult life, then dismantle.  ...and still deconstructing it.

That clip had remained my lasting impression of you, and otherwise I had always felt a good friendship and akinship with you, such a likeable guy you are.  Back then, and probably still now for the premies, the extreme expressions of allegiance and fanaticism echoed off each other and imprinted mutual states of fanaticism.  I'm glad now to know you are OTS and have emerged from that state of devotion to great distance with wisdom arising out from where you/we were back then. (I didn't recognize OTS was you -- who is that guy, I must have known him -- and while not having been able to puzzle out who is OTS, if ever remembering you I'd think of that clip.  Now I won't have to imagine it's still your state of mind!).  

When I first saw the clip, I was still in the utter thrall of devotion as the core of my worldview, and I could very well relate to your extreme feeling you expressed on camera, though recognizing it was a bit over the edge to a ghastly degree -- somewhat like I could even understand Fakiranand's over-the-edge extremism in his act of crazed or maybe calm careful premeditated execution.  Yours were only mere words, though fierce and unmistakable was your intent (or at least a very good act for the news camera!) -- while Fakir's was the abhorrent act -- still both somewhere on the same spectrum of fanaticism).  Seeing your fierce devotion on camera gave resonance to me back then, a resonance in my own feeling of extreme devotion without my advocating Fakir's act or your words.  I too had strong fanaticism, like of course many of us had in various forms this extreme streak of "religious" fanaticism then.  I always tried in every way to build in myself the extremes of thorough devotion, but within whatever limits I could myself understand as proper, or as unlimited as proper.  And I admired anyone else's quality and version of their own devotional state even if disliking their manner of acting out.  

When later I was no longer a premie, seeing the clip again, it helped me put into perspective and understand my own devotional madness -- simply by seeing the documentation of your outright expression of something I could admire in your spirit and loyalty, it gave me distance to view my own skewed extremism.  And I think that "Fakiranand event" has given me throughout life something of a perspective, a comprehension of how human beings can reach to performing inhuman acts, rather than being myself mystified at how people come to perform such extreme acts even as we now hear about them almost daily prompted by allegiances I can't understand.

Seems loyalty and extremes of devotion are both one of the banes of human character and one of the virtues. ...yet a greater admixture of kindness and compassion maybe will bring the human race's survival through the next 1000 years, as it has through the past 200,000.

OTS, I just meant to write that I was happy to know you've gone so far beyond that past, as we all have, and in hope my writing might add to alleviate any trace of lingering guilt or onus of unresolved feeling from those events of so long ago. I know my own self-imposed traumas are the hardest to expunge, and somehow others' understanding sometimes helps.








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